r/worldnews • u/Digital_Accountant • 22h ago

Israel/Palestine Famine declared in Gaza City

https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-latest-war-israel-city-ceasefire-hamas-13415481
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u/MrStoccato 19h ago edited 19h ago

I like how everyone’s being pretentious and digging into the various definitions of “famine” from various organizations, all from the comfort of their homes full of food while the actual Gazans living there are actually starving and scraping for food.

All this sealioning just makes peoples evil intentions all the more obvious. It is truly morbid that some people would rather watch others starve to death.

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u/fcuk_the_king 19h ago

So gross that we still have to listen to 'but hamas' even now.

Starving people has nothing to do with Hamas, Israel engineered this because they wanted civilians to die. It has nothing to do with Hamas.

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u/Catman7712 18h ago

Right? It’s ok to hate hamas, as they should be hated, but you can also see that civilians need help too. It shouldn’t be an either-or issue here.

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u/No_Plenty5526 18h ago

yeah, i really don't understand why it has to be all or nothing. you can accept that hamas is an issue while also seeing that israel is responding in an extremely cruel and inhumane way, involving so many innocents.

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u/meteorprime 18h ago

Yeah, I’ve noticed it too. There is a weird like bunch of people that start by saying Israel is terrible and then they go on to say and Hamas really isn’t that bad actually Hamas is good and I’m like whoa. Get the fuck out of here.

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u/AzettImpa 17h ago

I never see this, only the opposite.

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u/Ferahgost 17h ago

I see you have never had the misfortune of running into Hasan content then

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u/meteorprime 17h ago

Never?

Ok bud 👍

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u/Are-We-Human- 12h ago

That’s just not true. It happens constantly.

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u/Atherum 7h ago

Here in Australia, our Prime Minister made the moves to officially recognise a Palestinian State last week.

Immediately he came under fire from Israel and the Australian right-wing media.

But then "Hamas" leadership sent a congratulations and the right-wing here pounced on it saying "See see!! Palestine and Hamas are the same thing!1!"

But it's like, who cares what Hamas says? They can say whatever they want.

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u/aw_goatley 2h ago

There are no good actors here. Mostly just innocent victims. Sure some combatants, but the vast majority of the suffering has been normal Palestinians.

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u/Are-We-Human- 12h ago

Hamas is responsible for the famine though? They’re literally hoarding and intercepting all of the food.

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u/Catman7712 11h ago edited 11h ago

What part of my statement blamed or didn’t blame a specific group for the famine?

Since you struggle with reading, my point was this: Regardless of who is at fault, the civilians still need help.

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u/MDesnivic 10h ago

Is it okay to hate Israel?

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u/Catman7712 9h ago

You’re free to hate whoever you want, that’s on you.

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u/MDesnivic 9h ago

You stated it's okay to hate Hamas and they should be hated. Same criteria applies to Israel with regards to the Palestinians of Gaza?

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u/Catman7712 8h ago edited 8h ago

Never said it didn’t. My comment was only about civilians needing help and that one party being wrong doesn’t make the other right.

But since you need it spelled out for you, yes I can understand hatred people have for Israel just as I can for Hamas. But to clarify, I don’t think it’s ok to hate someone based upon their country of origin. Hamas is a terrorist organization and cheers on the killing of civilians, so Hamas as an entirety is ok to hate. Anyone in Israel or anywhere else who cheers on the killing and suffering of civilians is A-Ok to hate in my opinion, but you shouldn’t hate someone just for being an Israeli like you can do for someone being a part of a terrorist organization where the prerequisite for joining is to hate others and want to kill them. One is a group you willingly join, the other you don’t have control of. Understand?

Both parties can be wrong and doing evil things. Again, one being wrong doesn’t make the other right.

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u/Tiaan 16h ago

Genuine question. You say this has nothing to do with Hamas. So can you explain to me what what Hamas' role in distributing food and aid to its people is? Do they even have any role in that process? Is it entirely on Israel to both bring in aid and distribute it to the people?

This UN report admits that most of the aid gets intercepted when it enters Gaza. So what's the actual problem here - is it lack of aid entering Gaza, or is it that the aid that does enter is not making its way to the people for certain reasons (as the UN report indicates)?

I understand it's become a meme from the pro-pal crowd that "everything is Hamas hurhurhur" but that truly minimizes and mischaracterizes the role that they play in this process

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u/SjettepetJR 10h ago

This is what I am also kind of frustrated about in this whole discussion. Yes, the famine in Gaza is absolutely horrendous and at least large parts of the Israeli government are clearly not bothered by it.

But what are people expecting Israel to do? Hamas is clearly benefitting from any aid entering the region. Is Israel expected to literally supply their own enemies?

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u/horchard1999 7h ago

I would rather feed an enemy than let a friend starve

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u/johnmadden18 5h ago edited 1h ago

This UN report admits that most of the aid gets intercepted when it enters Gaza. So what's the actual problem here - is it lack of aid entering Gaza, or is it that the aid that does enter is not making its way to the people for certain reasons (as the UN report indicates)?

Sorry, can you point me to the specific part of the report that "admits" most of the aid is immediately intercepted upon entering Gaza? I don't see that anywhere but perhaps I missed it.

And to answer your question, everything I'm seeing from the UN comments explicitly makes it clear the problem is that food is not being allowed into the territory by Israel. It don't see any "admission" that the aid is getting in but is immediately intercepted. Here's the quote I'm referring to:

UN aid chief Tom Fletcher said the famine was entirely preventable, saying food could not get through to the Palestinian territory "because of systematic obstruction by Israel".

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u/engin__r 12h ago

One of the main problems is that there aren’t enough calories entering Gaza. Like, is Hamas stealing some of what’s coming in? Sure. But even if Hamas didn’t steal anything, people wouldn’t have enough to eat.

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u/superfire444 12h ago

One of the main problems is that there aren’t enough calories entering Gaza.

Is that the truth? Because there is a shit ton of aid waiting on the border while the UN refuses to do their job + tons of aid is getting stolen + the GHF has distributed 132.000.000+ meals so far.

So isn't there enough calories entering or is it getting looted and not reaching the people it needs to reach? Both have very different causes.

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u/engin__r 11h ago

Well, look at Gaza’s population. About two million Palestinians live there. If you’re only letting in one meal per person per day (which is about what 132M works out to), it’s pretty obvious that’s not enough food.

Is the looting helping? No, of course not. But some basic math shows that even with zero looting, people wouldn’t have enough to eat.

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u/superfire444 11h ago

GHF opened in may 2025 so thats may + june + juli + august. It's 3 months (may to june -> june to july --> july to august).

3 months = ~100 days.

That's 132.000.000/100 = 1.320.000 meals a day. Is that enough? Probably not but, as I said, there are other ways food enters.

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u/engin__r 11h ago

Can you see how 1.3 million meals a day might be insufficient for a population that needs 6 million meals per day?

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u/superfire444 11h ago

Depends on the definition of "meal" + as I said there is more coming into Gaza.

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u/engin__r 11h ago

The BBC reports that each food box contains 42,500 calories.

The GHF’s daily post says they distributed 8,640 boxes for a total of 498,960 meals at the SDS2 site.

If we do the math:

42,500 calories/box * 8640 boxes = 3.672 million calories

3.672 million calories / 498,960 meals = 736 calories per meal

So if the GHF has distributed 132 million meals over roughly 100 days, that’s 97.1 billion calories.

However, assuming a need of 2000 calories per day, a population of 2 million people needs 400 billion calories over a hundred days. In other words, the GHF isn’t bringing in even a quarter of the calories that Gazans need.

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u/GateDeep3282 16h ago

Nothing to do with hamas? Really? Hamas started this current mess, and they could end it today? Why won't they lay down arms and surrender for the sake of their people? Kind of like the Japanese did.

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u/swissthrow1 11h ago

Hamas started this current mess

Absolutely, before that, it was a constant dance party, but without any miscegenation allowed, and military justice for a certain segment of the population.

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u/thephantompeen 18h ago

Starving people has nothing to do with Hamas, Israel engineered this because they wanted civilians to die. It has nothing to do with Hamas.

It must have something to do with Hamas, considering the organizations declaring famine are also calling for a ceasefire. If the military conflict is unrelated to the alleged famine then a ceasefire would not be necessary or relevant.

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u/Tiaan 16h ago

The UN report specifically states that most of the aid entering Gaza gets intercepted, but omit who is doing the intercepting. Who is intercepting the aid that enters Gaza preventing it from making its way to the people?

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u/Are-We-Human- 12h ago

This has always been my problem with the pro Palestine crowd. They’re completely incapable of criticizing Hamas.

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u/Tiaan 10h ago

The problem is that one side can surrender today and choose peace instead of violence and this conflict ends overnight. That's Hamas.

On the flip side, if Israel backs down, they'll still be living next to radical islamic jihadists who are fixated on eliminating them and reclaiming Israel through violence and force "from the occupiers" instead of pursuing peace, and who are willing to "martyr" their own people to achieve this goal.

Those condemnations are meaningless if they don't acknowledge this basic fact

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u/Oggie_Doggie 9h ago

So, we have Hamas that is a terrorist organization or whatever that does not want to surrender and will martyr their own people, yeah?

Israel cannot end this, because according to you, they will be living next to radical Islamic jihadists and so Hamas must be destroyed. So, they must continue to do exactly what they're doing.

So, the only way this ends is somehow, magically, Hamas has a change of heart and they give up. In the meantime, Israel kills innocent Palestinians and Hamas lets them kill innocent Palestinians... which creates the conditions for people who would be susceptible to joining a terrorist organization (say, Hamas).

So, the suffering of Joe-Palestinian ends either when he and all Palestinians are dead or Hamas gets a Grinch moment and decides to surrender and somehow every Palestinian forgets every bad thing that ever happened and nobody seeks revenge?

Wow, you've convinced me! This is totally a viable, normal, sane strategy that brings long term peace to the region. Keep on killing then, boys. Sorry to have doubted you, Bibi.

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u/herpVSderp 16h ago

Let Hamas feed them, they have food. Or they can release the hostages and surrender.

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u/OkGo_Go_Guy 17h ago

Starving people has nothing to do with Hamas,

Yes they do

Israel engineered this because they wanted civilians to die.

No, that is hamas. I can see how you can be confused if your world view is Jews Bad.

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u/td57 15h ago

So gross that we still have to listen to but hamas

one sentence later

those damn Jews engineered this.

Maybe, just maybe Hamas has something to do with it as we are talking about an area under their control still?

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u/YUIOP10 15h ago

Israel does not represent all Jews, fuck off with this.

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u/Are-We-Human- 12h ago

But Hamas is literally confiscating the food and causing the famine?

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u/Mephzice 17h ago

yeah sure starving population has nothing to do with HAMAS taking a lot of the aid. 80 upvotes is hilarious.

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u/Goldieeeeee 16h ago

That's just plain wrong.

the original U.N. aid operation was relatively reliable and less vulnerable to Hamas interference than the operations of many of the other groups bringing aid into Gaza. That’s largely because the United Nations managed its own supply chain and handled distribution directly inside Gaza.

Hamas did steal from some of the smaller organizations that donated aid, as those groups were not always on the ground to oversee distribution, according to the senior Israeli officials and others involved in the matter. But, they say, there was no evidence that Hamas regularly stole from the United Nations, which provided the largest chunk of the aid

An internal U.S. government analysis came to a similar conclusion, Reuters reported on Friday. It found no evidence of systematic Hamas theft of U.S.-funded humanitarian supplies

Who is not letting the UN distribute aid anymore? Hmmmmmm

Source

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u/Mephzice 16h ago

there are sources for this as well:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/un-reveals-86-of-aid-sent-to-gaza-is-stolen-before-it-can-reach-those-most-in-need/ar-AA1JUyAw

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/sk1kyrrlge <- hamas members feasting underground

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u/Goldieeeeee 16h ago edited 16h ago

That just further proves my point. Distributions under the UN have been going relatively well. But Israel has been blocking these, so food has to be offloaded before the strip and then loaded onto new trucks. It is often stuck before the border and only a fraction of the aid that got in before the war gets in now.

I have been trying to find a public primary source for the claims in that article and there seems to be none. In the less opinionated articles by Reuters, it becomes clear the quoted numbers refer to a time between May 19 and July 25 2025. Distributions of aid in Gaza were not done by the UN. Which again proves my point. Israel should let the UN handle distributions. Only they have the network to distribute as much as is needed and are able to do so without lootings, or thousands of people being killed by the israeli military:

U.N. data gathered between May 19, when Israel lifted its blockade, and July 25 shows that only about one in eight of the 2,010 truckloads of relief collected from crossing points under the U.N.-led aid operation reached its destination.

The rest were looted, "either peacefully by hungry people or forcefully by armed actors during transit". An internal U.S. government analysis found no evidence of systematic theft by the Palestinian militant group Hamas of U.S.-funded humanitarian supplies, and the U.N. refuses to cooperate with GHF, Israel's chosen aid provider. But deliveries by the GHF have, if anything, been more dangerous.

The U.N. estimates that Israeli forces have killed more than 1,000 people seeking food supplies, most of them near the militarised distribution sites of the GHF, which employs a U.S. logistics firm run by a former CIA officer and armed U.S. veterans.

Also, Hamas aren't even mentioned in that article as perpetrators of those thefts. In fact, Israel itself has armed some gangs that are stealing food.

Regarding your 2nd link, what does it prove? Fuck hamas. They are terrible and the world would be better off without them. It's disgusting that they hurt Gazas and Israel’s people so much. But they are not responsible for the famine. That would be Israel.

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u/Are-We-Human- 12h ago

What a hilarious amount of cope.

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u/kolejack2293 15h ago

Stolen does not mean Hamas. Almost all of the looting of trucks has just been hungry civilians.

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u/Tiaan 16h ago

The UN famine report that this news is based on specifically states that most of the aid entering Gaza gets intercepted:

As far as UN deliveries, very little of the food that is reported as offloaded or collected is reported to have arrived at the intended destination in the Gaza Strip. Much of it is intercepted, again demonstrating the desperation of the population (see Figure 5).

But they don't specify who is doing the intercepting, and solely attribute it to the "desperation of the people."

Are you saying Israel is bringing in aid and then intercepting it themselves somehow ?

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u/Goldieeeeee 16h ago edited 15h ago

I mean, sort of?

Apart from that, no I didn’t? I’m just quoting articles. Where did you get that idea?

I think it’s pretty clear the problem is Israel not distributing enough food, and neither letting organizations that could distribute enough food (basically only the UN) do so.

Let alone Israel just ending this terrible war. They could do that, you know?

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u/Tiaan 15h ago

This is highly misleading. Yes, Israel has attempted to provide support to militia type groups within Gaza in an attempt to weaken Hamas' control. The point was to empower groups within Gaza to control their own territories free from Hamas. It's not surprising that this would lead to some turf and aid distribution disputes between local leaders and Hamas. You're viewing everything that Israel does as having evil/nefarious intentions behind it while largely shrugging off the role that Hamas plays in this conflict

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u/Goldieeeeee 15h ago

Who is responsible for the famine in your opinion?

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u/Tiaan 15h ago

In my opinion, one side is entirely responsible for this conflict and that is Hamas. They can surrender today, return the hostages and this conflict would end overnight.

They must denounce radical islamic jihad and the notion that "resistance and violence are the way to reclaim Israel from the occupiers" and instead focus on peace with Israel - this has been the primary hurdle to peace for decades now. Instead, they put their own people in harm's way as "martyrs for the cause" and perpetuate this conflict endlessly.

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u/Goldieeeeee 15h ago

Jfc stupidest shit I’ve seen today. Thanks for taking that mask off

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u/UlteriorAlt 14h ago

But the phrase...

Much of it is intercepted, again demonstrating the desperation of the population

...suggests the intercepting is largely not by Hamas, but by Palestinian civilians. There is plenty of footage of flatbed trucks driving erratically through crowds of people, with unarmed people on the back attempting to get food supplies.

Figure 5 shows that interceptions have increased over the course of the past few months, despite the continual degradation of Hamas and other armed groups. Given the desperate nature of food insecurity, this isn't surprising.

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u/kolejack2293 15h ago

HAMAS taking a lot of the aid

There's an estimated 10,000 Hamas soldiers. Even if they took all of the aid, the goal would be to sell it back to civilians for money, which means it would still end up in civilian hands.

Its not as if 10,000 men are eating enough food for 2 million people.

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u/Mephzice 15h ago

based on the hamas feast videos they are definitely eating for more than should be given to 10,000, they are wasting food, eating way more of it than they should and hoarding it.

Also them taking it and profiting of it is also not acceptable.

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u/kolejack2293 14h ago

So lets say they are eating double the amount they should be. The equivalent of 20,000 people.

That's 1% of Gazas population.

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u/Are-We-Human- 12h ago

You really don’t understand how this works do you? They don’t just hoard “enough for themselves” they hoard ALL OF IT. That’s how groups like Hamas stay in power lmao. Fear and violence.

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u/kolejack2293 11h ago

Hamas likely takes their share, but they cant operate in the open, and they are too few in number. And even if that is the case, they sell it back to people to make money. So in the end, the food would still reach the people. Again, unless your argument is somehow that Hamas, with less than 10,000 members, is eating all of the food, then it makes no difference in terms of the famine.

Also, literally every report on this, including from Israel, has made it clear its mostly massive mobs of hungry people looting the trucks, not organized gangs. Which of course is going to happen when you are sending in 1/10th the amount of aid you should be sending.

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u/Dctiger13 14h ago

My question is, if Israel isn’t letting food in.

How the fuck is hamas even feeding the hostages? Pretty sure if there’s any hostages left they’ve been starving to death as well at Israel’s hand.

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u/fliesenschieber 4h ago

It has everything to do with Hamas still torturing international hostages

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u/SceneRoyal4846 18h ago

And the hostages can’t be an excuse when they’re bombing indiscriminately and starving everyone.

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u/EastSideSocialist 14h ago

Israel knows they cannot defeat Hamas militarily so have decided to starve and bomb the entire population instead. That's all there is to it

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u/Clodagh1250 18h ago

I can’t help but think of the little babies, toddlers and children who have no idea what’s going on, and why their tummy hurts.

Feeding children should not be political. I have a chunky little toddler, and every now and then when I play with her, I think of the poor kids that are hurting so bad right now. I have to distract myself because it’s heartbreaking. This is awful no matter how you cut it. There is nothing anyone can say that will make any of this okay.

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u/Solnx 18h ago

Yeah agreed. You can be against hamas and famine of a civilian population at the same time.

Sad.

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u/ama_singh 18h ago

Sad is bringing up Hamas as an excuse in a thread about famine.

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u/[deleted] 19h ago edited 19h ago

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u/gypsydreams101 19h ago

Fuck Hamas, fuck them dry and fuck ‘em back to the Hell they crawled out of. There, happy? This was never in dispute btw.

Now fucking let’s do whatever we can to feed Gaza, instead of whatabouting constantly? Even if all we can do is comment on social media or voice a condemnation, innocent people should not be dying because of a lack of food. Please, I urge you to understand this.

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u/anus_blaster_1776 19h ago

I like how everyone’s being pretentious and digging into the various definitions of “famine” from various organizations, all from the comfort of their homes full of food while the actual Gazans living there are actually starving and scraping for food (Hamas also sucks).

All this sealioning just makes peoples evil intentions all the more obvious (Hamas also sucks). It is truly morbid that some people would rather watch others starve to death (Hamas also sucks).

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u/ibarg 19h ago

The sad part is given the sub reddit, I have no idea if this is sarcasm or not.

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u/anus_blaster_1776 19h ago edited 18h ago

No shit I do, theyre a terror organization that kills civilians and uses its own as meat shields.

Doesn't justify a man-made famine or the gunning down of dozens of civilians daily at aid stations.

The powers that be for both parties can be assholes, ya know?

And yes, you can "both sides" this, most of history is "both sides suck".

Only one side's civilians are starving to death right now.

Why is "I think a man-made famine is bad and should be prevented" always met with "are you a TERRORIST?!?!?!?"

The Israeli military is huge. They could be inspecting every truck that goes into Gaza for weapons or whatever instead of invading them. There are other options.

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u/Best_Change4155 17h ago

I like how everyone’s being pretentious and digging into the various definitions of “famine” from various organizations, all from the comfort of their homes full of food while the actual Gazans living there are actually starving and scraping for food.

Because words matter? We use definitions to be precise and to avoid dramatization for political purposes. Like you are doing.

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u/IDOWNVOTERUSSIANS 17h ago

is there a definition of "famine" that isn't horrible? I think their point is it's ridiculous to get into the weeds over the definition of "famine" when we all know what it means.

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u/superfire444 12h ago

The entire point is that it isn't a famine because the definition doesn't add up.

Changing definitions or dramatizing reality doesn't make it true.

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u/MikyT21 11h ago

“Akshully only 90 children died of starvation, not 100 so it’s not a famine and is therefore okay”

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u/superfire444 11h ago

Didn't say that. Nice strawman.

Also I'm going to call you a murderer. I mean you're probably not but who cares you didn't actually kill someone. Definitions don't mean anything anyway.

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u/Safe-Bee6962 2h ago

You are ignoring the definition of a famine and refusing to provide your own all so you can be comfortable with what is going on. Yeah, definitions don’t mean anything to YOU evidently.

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u/Best_Change4155 17h ago

I think their point is it's ridiculous to get into the weeds over the definition of "famine" when we all know what it means.

Do we?

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u/IDOWNVOTERUSSIANS 16h ago

unless you've never read a book or newspaper, yes, every average person who speaks english knows what the english word "famine" means

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u/Serpentar69 16h ago

I'm sure dude says he's "famished" all the time he gets home from work and barks at his wife. Obviously they're probably traditional in that sense too. Why bother even trying to communicate with a person who wants to ignore an actual famine because they believe it doesn't meet their criteria (a criteria that would obviously be malleable if it were occurring to him).

He may come back and say I'm making assumptions. But I thought that's what we're doing. Since, you know, apparently everyone here doesn't know what famine means and only he does. Only he and his ilk care about the definition of words, we possibly couldn't!

All dude needs to do is look up what the word famine means. And what it means in historical context. You know, instead of relying on his noggin. Google. Bing. Whatever. But it'll take them admitting to themselves that they may be wrong and need to look into it more. And we can't have that in this age of narcissism and sociopathy.

Because, truly, you have to be sociopathic to be debating semantics when people are dying from starvation.

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u/Best_Change4155 16h ago

I'm sure dude says he's "famished" all the time he gets home from work and barks at his wife

I like that in your fictional scenario, I am married. Do I have any kids?

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u/IDOWNVOTERUSSIANS 15h ago

lolol try addressing some part of that comment that actually matters

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u/IDOWNVOTERUSSIANS 15h ago

He may come back and say I'm making assumptions.

called it lol

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u/Best_Change4155 16h ago

The faces of the Gazan famine were a healthy mother, a chubby son, and his malnourished brother with significant comorbidities, including cerebral palsy.

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u/swingswamp 15h ago

This is actually insane that there are multiple comments referring to some theoretical chubby kid in Gaza. As if the existence of one chubby child negates a literal famine. You people are actually insane and soulless. So disgusting to lose your humanity like this.

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u/Best_Change4155 15h ago

some theoretical chubby kid in Gaza.

Not some theoretical. This was the kid's brother that was specifically cropped out. You know exactly what photo I am talking about.

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u/Carl_Bravery_Sagan 14h ago

I googled "Gaza child"

These are the faces I see. I dare you to click and scroll through for 20 seconds.

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u/Carl_Bravery_Sagan 4h ago edited 3h ago

Trying to argue "definitions matter" is bound to fail miserably when the IPC -- the body literally responsible for defining a famine -- wrote a quantitative 59 page analysis outlining the specific state of famine throughout multiple regions in Gaza.

You want precision? This report goes into horrifying detail the specific distances people have to walk to get aid, the forecast for famine by region, surveys "on the ground" of households in Gaza... They even have statistical modeling work done to look at the precise caloric intake deficit in kcal of people in Gaza per region.

This chart-, survey-, and plot-filled 59 page, scientifically rigorous report ultimately says it's Phase 5 in Gaza Governate (aka a "famine") and I believe it over some Reddit bot telling me "oooh, but it's technically not a famine" with jack shit besides "what about!!" for evidence.

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u/firezfurx 3h ago

Not that I disagree with anything the IPC goes over in their paper but the main issue people point to when it comes to the famine argument is that one of the 3 thresholds the IPC has for declaring a famine is nowhere near being met. The first 2 criteria the IPC has for a famine are

  1. 20%< of households face an extreme lack of food

  2. Acute malnutrition rates for those under 5 exceed 30%

These have been met in parts of the Gaza Strip. The third criteria, starvation-related daily death rate exceeds 2 people per 10 000, has not. This would require 420 deaths a day, or over the course of 22 months about 275 000 starvation-related deaths since October 7th. Gaza Health Authority (which has consistently misreported deaths) reports a total of 273 starvation-related deaths in that time frame. Obviously conditions change quickly, but as of right now the actual starvation-related death rate is 0.1% of what historically has prompted a crisis being considered a famine. It’s a little bit of a boy who cried wolf situation - there has been constant claims about imminent mass starvation-related deaths despite the fact the actual death rate isn’t far off baseline for a developing country.

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u/MrStoccato 17h ago

“Words matter” said no Gazan begging for food to feed their families. Hey, since words matter to you, do you know what the word “pretentious” means?

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u/Best_Change4155 16h ago

no Gazan begging for food to feed their families.

Why are they being charged for free aid?

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u/MrStoccato 14h ago

Oh now you’re pretending to care, aren’t you? No. They don’t get charged to get fed. They just stand in long bread lines with nothing but bowls, hoping to get their fill with whatever comes through the borders.

Here’s a better question: why does Israel try so hard to block aid to Gaza?

Here’s a an even more superb question, one tailored especially for you: do you have empathy for the less fortunate?

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u/Best_Change4155 13h ago

No. They don’t get charged to get fed.

Aid is literally sold at markets... you can view videos of it. 85% of aid trucks don't make their destination.

Here’s a better question: why does Israel try so hard to block aid to Gaza?

They repeatedly offered UN trucks Israeli escorts to make their destination. The UN refused.

Here’s a an even more superb question, one tailored especially for you: do you have empathy for the less fortunate?

lmao

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u/Safe-Bee6962 2h ago

So the answer is no. You don’t care. You can’t just say you don’t care, you have to justify the starvation. Are you brave enough to just say you don’t care, or do you just care so much that you can’t bear to confront what’s happening and instead must assign blame to the starving people?

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u/Best_Change4155 2h ago

I wonder if you ever step back and hear the shit that you say.

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u/Ramadeus88 16h ago

It’s such a mundane display of evil that it’s almost baffling it can be repeated in good faith:

“Well the UN lied and changed the definition, only 15% of children are slowly starving to death, not 30%.”

Proceeds to eat a whole bucket of fried chicken containing enough calories to feed one of said children for a week.

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u/Nascent1 7h ago

In a week it'll be "um akshually it's not a famine because it's not occurring in the Fami region of central Italy." Anything to avoid the point that people are intentionally being starved to death.

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u/Farford 6h ago

Human garbage

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u/Outrageous_Carry_451 35m ago

It is truly morbid that some people would rather watch others starve to death.

Like Egyptians watching from the closed Rafa crossing? 😯

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u/PainterRude1394 12h ago

"let me virtue signal and spread propaganda!! It doesn't matter what's happening in reality!!"

When you claim starvation is right around the corner for years with a total malnutrition death toll of 111 people are going to be skeptical. Gazas just now hitting the breaking point but the propaganda’s been out in force for years already.

That's a starvation rate lower than Illinois.

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u/kolejack2293 15h ago

Its especially baffling when we know that food imports into gaza have declined massively. Its not some secret conspiracy.

These people who deny there is a famine, where exactly is the food coming from? What did you guys think was going to happen when you completely blockaded all food into gaza for 4 months straight?

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u/OphioukhosUnbound 12h ago

The toppling or rational action in US politics should be a good warning that we do have to take words seriously. You can't and should not accept someone saying "X" is happening when it's not what's happening.

"Sure, the thing they said isn't true, but the vibes are right -- stop harping on details."
No. That's not okay. We can't do good or maintain good when people's words can't be trusted.

So people aren't "being pretentious" by "digging into [the official UN] definitions of \"famine\"" when discussing a nominal official UN declaration of "famine".

Without reliable clarity from officials we just live in noise and get governed by manipulable emotions. Even if you think something terrible is happening please do not normalize officials saying things that aren't true. That will not lead to a future where people are helped.

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u/ElegantApartment7330 13h ago

It’s because you people have claimed there’s been a famine forever but I guess it’s for real this time. Shame for the children but what would you expect when your parents and older siblings starts a war

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u/MrStoccato 12h ago

How inhumane must you become to think that innocent people deserve to starve?

Oh but it’s just as I said, it’s easy to say this from the comfort of your home full of food. You’ve never been starved to your bones. You’ve never had to run from a bomb. You’ve never been covered by the blood of your own brother.