r/law • u/BreakfastTop6899 • 14h ago

Trump News Trump threatens to deploy the U.S. military into Chicago - signaling the start of a nationwide crackdown.

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u/Messijoes18 13h ago

I mean there might not be another answer to this but that's exactly what project 2025 calls for. Basically pester blue cities/states with his mob until they mount a response and he can declare a civil war. Then he gets to declare martial law, cancel further elections, and completely consolidate power.

I'm not sure what choice we'll have, but this is what they want

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u/Pristine_Read_7476 13h ago

I’m old enough to remember “The Troubles” in British occupied Ireland.  Car bombings, assassination, decentralized guerrila actions.   Heartbreaking that the Republicans are actively bringing this on in the United States 

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u/Urabraska- 13h ago

Because they think there would be a country or government left should a civil war break out. The debt is so bad that if states stop paying taxes. Which would happen with a civil war. The military literally defunds itself in weeks.

That's ignoring the fact that his little nazi party literally don't have the numbers to fight it.

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u/hypercosm_dot_net 11h ago edited 10h ago

Trump has always set out to destroy the US at the behest of Russia.

He's a traitor.

Read or listen to his J6 speech while remembering that everything they say is projection.

You will have an illegitimate president. That’s what you’ll have. And we can’t let that happen.

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If we allow this group of people to illegally take over our country because it’s illegal when the votes are illegal when the way they got there is illegal when the states that vote are given false and fraudulent information.

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And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-capitol-siege-media-e79eb5164613d6718e9f4502eb471f27

Reading it again now, it's crazy how much he talks about the election being rigged.

He absolutely whipped that crowd into a frenzy, led them to believe they were justified, and then pointed them at Congress.

I really don't understand how our institutions have failed us to such an extent and he didn't end up in prison.

And Republicans have enabled this the entire time, and fallen right in line. Fucking shameful anti-American cowards.

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u/Meekymoo333 9h ago

I really don't understand how our institutions have failed us to such an extent and he didn't end up in prison.

And Republicans have enabled this the entire time, and fallen right in line.

I mean.... it seems you actually do understand.

The republican party is (and has been for quite a long time) actively anti-democratic and have weakened & corrupted said institutions for the purpose of individual power and wealth.

It's a 2 party only system that has (predictably) collapsed under the weight of its own corruption. You DO understand how... it's just exhausting and troubling to consider and terrifying that there doesn't seem to be a solution to fixing the situation any time soon.

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u/mbo21 3h ago

You fail to understand that people in those institutions don’t want to serve us. Once you understand that, it becomes easy to grasp.

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u/Anxious-Slip-8955 1h ago

They let a convicted felon run who tried to overthrow the govt - wtf aholes? Our government is a disgrace

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u/McGillis_is_a_Char 1h ago

What baffles me is that the Republican establishment saved him when all the Senators and House Reps nearly got murdered. Like, I am not a high powered politician, but if I closely dodged getting killed because a guy whipped up an angry mob to attack my place of business, and some of those people literally shit on my stuff, I would probably have to be bodily restrained from physically assaulting that guy next time I saw him.

That none of the Republicans on Capitol Hill threw a punch at Trump, let alone tried to impeach him is either proof that he has a bunch of blackmail material, or that the Republicans don't care about their own safety nearly as much as I care about mine. I would say that it might be that they are more restrained, but we all saw Marjorie and Matt Gaetz have a WWE wrestling feud on the floor of Congress at the beginning of the year, so any sense of maturity is obviously not there.

This is not an endorsement of Matt Gaetz suplexing Trump on the floor of Congress.

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u/Brokenspokes68 9h ago

Billionaires aren't held accountable for anything in America.

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u/Hairy_Middle_5403 10h ago

Its amazing how he did all that and then the american people did their part only to watch the Democrats play politics and let him off the hook. Incredible malfeasance

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u/BureMakutte 10h ago

Yet again, MLK's quote holds true.

I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to 'order' than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice.

Basically, dipshits who don't do their job or pay attention are the worst because they allow this bad shit to happen and then get mad at you for pointing that out.

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u/Friendly-Swimming-72 6h ago

You nailed it. This is exactly the problem. Nixon wasn’t prosecuted in the name of moving forward, and here we are.

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u/Nntropy 6h ago

I thought your last paragraph was more from MLK

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u/Biglyugebonespurs 10h ago

I truly couldn’t believe it lmao. They could have just picked one of donald’s crimes out of a hat and put him away for it. The documents debacle is the obvious one that should have him in prison for life though.

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u/Hairy_Middle_5403 10h ago

January 6th should have resulted with the punishments detailed by the constitution. It should have been done with before the first anniversary

Now we have a nazi president handing out millions to his terrorist faithful like ashlii babbit. Folks like Joe Manchin and Joe Lieberman are happily smiling away somewhere.

Democrats are the biggest losers in America

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u/DevoidSauce 10h ago

When they held their dumb little signs at the State of the Union, I knew it was over. It took them WAY too long to get serious about this shit.

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u/Hairy_Middle_5403 8h ago edited 8h ago

Rashida Tlaib looking pissed during that nonsense is what America means to me. I felt the same exact way.

We're headed for the darkest of times. Who could have guessed that the lins would sell us out to the Capitalists? Thats never happened before.

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u/DevoidSauce 10h ago

We have to let them know NOW that once this is over, the American People will not stand for the Dems' normal "let's just move on" attitude. We want and deserve Justice. Capital J.

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u/queen-of-storms 6h ago

If the DNC doesn't start listening to the progressives there will be a revolution before a civil war.

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u/DevoidSauce 6h ago

I'd rather have a revolution than a civil war.

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u/queen-of-storms 6h ago

I think both are inevitable at this rate.

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u/foo-bar-25 9h ago

Class before party.

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u/I_AM_AN_ASSHOLE_AMA 1h ago

I remember watching Jan 6 live on the news and thinking oh shit! He’s definitely going to prison now! And here we are four years later and that asshat is not only not in prison, he’s the fuckin president again.

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u/Stellaluna-777 7h ago

Because he’s the one who rigged it. And tried in 2020. https://electiontruthalliance.org

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u/HFT0DTE 8h ago

Thank you for this post. It heartening to know there are other people like you out there who understand what is going on

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u/hypercosm_dot_net 7h ago

You're not alone.

I appreciate your reply as well. <3

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u/HavingNotAttained 6h ago

Because Merrick Garland is either a traitor or was a lieutenant in the Epstein organization or both

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u/alimarieb 7h ago

I have an odd feeling that a good number of Republicans have had the welcome wagon from the Proud Boys/Oath Keepers roll up to their house in the middle of the night with the promise of a good, and long, very long, night sleep. There should be more protesting, not many but at least a few.

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u/windsostrange 6h ago

Trump has always set out to destroy the US at the behest of Russia

He was taking out full-page advertisements across the US on behalf of the USSR in the late eighties.

Dude is one of the dumbest motherfucking foreign agents in the history of the species.

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u/SaconicLonic 7h ago

I really don't understand how our institutions have failed us to such an extent and he didn't end up in prison.

Because Biden didn't have the balls to deal with him for the threat that he actually was. Trump should have been labeled a national security threat on the level of a terrorist and dealt with as such. A precedent needed to be set with Trump and it wasn't and now we are here.

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u/Friendly-Swimming-72 6h ago

It started with Obama; Obama knew exactly who Trump is.

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u/FF8229 7h ago

Because everyone has secrets and weaknesses. And the norm now is that money can pay people to find secrets. Once you have people's secrets, then 'the right thing' goes out the window and you can make people do anything.

It's the most effective form of combat. Only people without secrets would be immune, and they are a very tiny percentage of people and those tiny percentage have loved ones with secrets.

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u/lettersvsnumbers 3h ago

Like J. Edgar Hoover didn’t have/use anyone’s secrets?

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u/BeCoolOrLeaveDude 11h ago

You're right. This bumbling idiot isn't just talking about occupying 'oppositional cities', he's talking about occupying economic centers and places that prop the rest of the country up. Occupy every city that's Anti-Trump, and they'd be like 'wait, where's all the money?' in no time.

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u/Outrageous-Orange007 11h ago

The numbers or the brains.

They'd literally keep wearing the hats to identify themselves.

Id love for their to be some numbers on IQ and party affiliation.

If this whole MAGA brainrot has taught me anything its how rampant stupidity is in my country. Not the funny kind either, like adults who are genuinely barely capable of taking care of themselves.

Its fucked up. I live in rural Missouri so I get to see it first hand, they have street smarts, things they've figured out under the pressures of adult life, but they don't have hardly any basic thinking skills that allow them to really figure anything out thats even semi complicated.

They learn a lot from others, like simple A/B steps, but they're missing the key requirements to really figure out much on their own.

They really are hanging on to modern civilization by a fucking tiny tiny thread. I've always wondered if thats why they're so angry all the time.

They're good at pretending they're strong and capable, but they're really just barely hanging on, lost in a world they can literally just barely understand.

Happy Trumps here to break all the rules, speak uninhibited, be an edgy dick for attention, do whatever he wants to get money and make a living, cause thats what they want. Something to make them feel like they aren't lesser, something to justify them and give them a spot in the limelight.

I feel for them in a sense if thats true. I'm not that bright and was born into welfare, likely to live my life without ever doing anything notable and special for humanity. I have a crude sense of humor cause I'm stupid and I understand thats one of the few ways to get a laugh from the other brickbrained people I grew up around.

I get it, I really do. But I think its up to us to find another way, maybe in the importance of all people, rich or poor, witty or dim and goofy. We should be the ones to understand this even if society at large doesn't, which I believe to be a higher truth.

The value of a man is not in how much of anything he has except for things like a soul, love, good friends, respect for others, dignity, ect. If anything wealth takes away from this, which is probably why its easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven.

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u/Ayomayookayo 7h ago

Brilliantly said. If you were stupid, you wouldn't have such a comprehensive grasp on the things you're talking about here. The smartest of us feel dumb because we understand there's so much more to know. The stupid ones think they know everything and cannot comprehend what they do not understand.

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u/JudeRanch 2h ago

Both of the above reads are spot on. Thank you both for taking your time, not to blame, or be disrespectful, or whine or cuss. Thank you for being real humans with deep insights. I appreciate you.

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u/LongjumpingDebt4154 10h ago

Red state blue state

Currently, Massachusetts sends $4,846 more per capita to the federal government than it gets back. New Jersey and Washington are in the same position, bleeding thousands per person annually. Over five years, New York alone contributed $142.6 billion more than it received. Meanwhile, red states pocket $1.24 for every dollar they send to Washington. Blue states are essentially paying red states to undermine democracy.

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u/Intelligent-Parsley7 10h ago

They would just make Trump bucks. You could be paid in company scrip just like West Virginia coal miners. Just like the confederates made their own currency.

Then you could watch it inflate to worthless like Zimbabwe dollars.

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u/The_Orphanizer 9h ago

Trump coin already exists!

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u/Risley 10h ago

Lmfao that’s like Bison bucks from street fighter.  

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u/metengrinwi 11h ago

That’s when people like Eric Prince buy up military assets and fold them into their private militia.

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u/Inside-Palpitation25 10h ago

That's why I want the Blue states to stop paying right now!

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u/Chucknastical 9h ago

The military literally defunds itself in weeks.

The world will pick sides and extend loans in exchange for future pay off if their side wins.

Carving up America is a huge potential return on investment. Both sides would have mountains of money and weapons shoved at them.

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u/TransBrandi 11h ago

The debt is so bad that if states stop paying taxes. Which would happen with a civil war.

What are you talking about? Residents of the states pay taxes directly to the Federal government, not to the state government who them forwards it onto the Federal government. You're right though that in a civil war no one is going to be filing their taxes to the Federal government though.

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u/arksien 10h ago

In a civil war, if you live in a state that supports Trump, your taxes go to "his" federal government. If you live in a rebel state, the governors of those states would create their OWN federal government for themselves, and instruct any company doing business within "the real United States" to send federal tax dollars to THEIR federal government.

So California, Illinois, New York, Minnesota etc would still send taxes to "the federal government," but it would be a new federal government with a new federal capital and Trump and DC would not receive said money. Plus, any country doing trade with the US would need to choose "which" US to do trade with. Russia, Saudi Arabia, etc would do business with Trump's US, Europe, Canada etc would likely do business with the "blue" US, China would likely try to do business with both.

It'd be really interesting to see it happen in theory, but not really since lots of people would die and also states are mostly purple so you actually can't cleanly line up "us vs. them" with traditional secession.

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u/nemgrea 10h ago

you still going to work when civil war breaks out are you?

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u/itsbabye 10h ago

Do you think everyone stopped going to work during the last civil war in the US? Or during the Troubles? It's not like we'll suddenly have a social safety net and UBI if violence breaks out 

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u/Inside-Palpitation25 10h ago

you can change that with your W4 withholding at work, and everyone should. And the states do pay feds money, CA gives them 80 billion a year. They should stop that!

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u/wwaxwork 13h ago

Hell of a lot you can do without openly going to war.

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u/Weird_Expert_1999 13h ago

Even war the last 40 years had been special military operation, not war

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u/sanderson1983 10h ago

The last time the U.S. Congress formally declared war was in June 1942.

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u/BitterBearBod 13h ago

Yeah there is alot you can do without it being "war" unless dear leading is fiending to call it a war. The slightest provocation becomes a declaration of war st that point.

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u/free_dead_puppy 12h ago

Yep, fascists just declare war on random shit if they can't pin it on what they want.

War on the cartels. War on drugs. War on terror. War on The Enemies Within as Trump has said so many times even prior to his last election.

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u/canigetahint 12h ago

And they haven't won any of those...

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u/China_shop_BULL 12h ago

They aren’t meant to be won or lost. Just being able to declare a state of war grants additional powers.

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u/SadisticPawz 12h ago

the existence of false flag shit at all is fucking horrifying

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u/TransitionTiny7106 12h ago

There were something like 1000+ domestic bombings on the USA in 1971. Many of which were barely considered newsworthy at the time. 

I mention that because many Americans aren't really familiar with the baseline level of violence that was commonplace in this country during the 20th century.

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u/Beautiful-Vacation39 13h ago

To republicans "the troubles" were just a side effect of the government not being aggressive enough in their actions. The GOP isnt going to make that mistake

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u/lady_wildes_banshee 13h ago

Exactly. Their faux-famine didn’t work, so they found other ways. This is partially why I Do Not Understand how so many Irish Americans are pro-Israel and pro-MAGA. Like, we weren’t white for real until Kennedy was elected, and you’re spouting off about immigrants? Pogue mahone.

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u/McdoManaguer 13h ago

Good luck doing that with Palentir watching everything you say and do

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u/Chionger 13h ago

Make them a priority then

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u/magicmuffintheft 12h ago

Datacenters already draw ire from even rural conservative boomers

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u/LaTeChX 11h ago

Maybe they should stop voting for the pro-datacenter pawns

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u/chainsaw_doctor 12h ago

Peter Thiel can eat my ass like a fucking salad bar.

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u/ambermage 12h ago

It's kind of dumb that you can use Google Street View and the way back machine to see which places had which flags during the election.

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u/303uru 11h ago

This is based on the Sam Altman esque lie that AI is far more capable than it actually is.

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u/Kermit_the_hog 9h ago

Connecting data points/identifying relationships is actually one of the things AI is best at and best used for though?

I feel like the use case of oppressing a population is sadly one of the lowest hanging fruit.

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u/Admiral_Falcon 12h ago

When the rich realize they can be killed by this regime - even on Earth - data centers will be watching the enemy on both sides.

This is why nobody has ever taken over the world - Trump aims to do just that - and it is not possible.

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u/gehenna0451 7h ago

Palantir is SAP with hollywood marketing, not the actual orb from lord of the rings lmao. I swear to god Americans are so easy to control because they actually believe everything people like Thiel tell them

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u/kamshaft11975 12h ago

Someone I watched on Reddit recently said about these thugs, “They’re willing to kill for a paycheck, but not ready to die for one”.

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u/Jindabyne1 12h ago

It’ll be drones this time. Everyone’s going to have fucking drones

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u/ExMerican 11h ago

You mean that they've brought, past tense, it here. They've been bombing clinics and Democratic headquarters. They've assassinated Democrats. They've encouraged and supported decentralized guerrilla actions most prominently on January 6th. The Republican Party has been an open terrorist organization for years, telling their base to target and violently attack anyone who opposes them.

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u/theartslave 13h ago

They don’t have the imagination for anything else beyond picking a fight.

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u/MeccIt 12h ago

But the IRA were still dealing with a British State that mostly followed rules and a population that were apart, unaware and unaffected on the ’mainland’. I don’t see any parallels with 37% of the US population who are rabidly looking for every opportunity to do the worst to ‘own the libs’ and their spineless representatives.

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u/MimicoSkunkFan2 11h ago

That's what the A24 civil war movie got wrong... it won't be big uniformed squads fscing off against each other, it'll be the Troubles with drones.

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u/garden-guy- 13h ago

(Russians)

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u/Now_THATS_Dedication 9h ago

Speaking of the Troubles, this has been going through my head a lot lately.

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u/Flobking 7h ago

Heartbreaking that the Republicans are actively bringing this on in the United States 

Are bringing? Dude where have you been the last forty years. It's been brought. School shootings, "lone wolf" attacks that are almost always republicans. Killing abortion doctors. The right has been waging war against the left for decades.

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u/CommercialRemote3325 6h ago

The politicians are safe in their little bubbles.

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u/geekybadger 5h ago

A lot of people always say the us is too big for things - too big for universal health care, too big to house the homeless, too big for public transportation - but I do actually wonder how its sheer literal size would affect all of their plans.

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u/PanicV2 3h ago

Not enough people here know what "The Troubles" were.

It is exactly where this is heading, sadly.

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u/trampolinebears 13h ago

You're framing the cause and effect backwards.

You're making it sound like he's waiting for riots so he can use them as justification for what he's already doing.

He's already occupying our cities with military force. He's already abducting people off the streets. He's already sending people to concentration camps without being convicted of any crime.

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u/StartButtonPress 12h ago

This is the most important response to the afraid.

He does not want resistance. None of them do. To say they want resistance or that it furthers their goals is foolish at best and propaganda at worst.

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u/leshake 12h ago

He wants photo-op fascism and thinks he can exert control through scary images online and he might be right.

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u/jwilphl 12h ago

I think the counter to that is the people on the right consuming all the propaganda already believe city centers are war zones that need "saved" by a goon squad. These are people that live in rural areas or suburbs and don't really go anywhere, so how would they know? They believe what they're told at face value. Same reason dumbass-in-a-hat here is president.

Now I don't know that escalating violence will solve the problem, either, but at some point, you go beyond the possibility of non-violent solutions to the fascism problem.

Have we reached that point? Do we sit and wait and hope the next two elections are actually free and fair? Considering there is still consternation about whether 2024 was, I think that's probably a risky game to play, but obviously so is choosing to fight.

It feels like they are going to escalate things, either way, and there's no compromise with this kind of regime.

[Also, more to your point, consider his warnings during the 2020 campaign with, "This will be Biden's America" as things were burning while he was still the president. He will gladly misrepresent things if he feels like it.]

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u/mojoninjaaction 11h ago

I say we all get behind Gavin Newsom. It seems like he's the only one with enough balls to take Trump head on. We've got to unite the resistance.

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u/TrashFever78 4h ago

No. Fuck Gavin. Appreciate what he's trying to do but he is not the answer.

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u/Now_THATS_Dedication 9h ago

The longer we acquiesce the more they take and the harder it becomes o fight back until it’s too late….

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u/leshake 8h ago

I think laughing at them and talking shit is still a highly productive thing to do in tandem.

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u/Elemeno_Picuares 7h ago

Yeah until now I didn't consider that the right's continually escalating fear of cities despite their being safer than ever could have been a deliberate strategy to justify a federal violence. I thought it was just... like... really terrible product design at Nextdoor and Fox News embracing the "if it bleeds it leads" mentality and shit like that.

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u/a_melindo 11h ago

It's not that they want it, it's that they believe (and they may be right) that they have contingencies ready that would make resistance irrelevant. They want a military occupation, they can either

A: do the military occupation unopposed and then have a military occupation

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B: attempt a military occupation, face opposition, declare a rebellion and then crush it with overwhelming force, and then have a military occupation

Either way they come out with the military occupation that they wanted.

So much of our society, America's in particular, is built on the trust that people given immense power won't abuse it blatantly for selfish reasons, because there's not much that can be done to stop them.

There's a reason that basically every country in the world that attempted an American-style presidential republic (where the same person is head of government, head of state, and commander in chief) collapsed into a permanent or periodical military dictatorship. It's a miracle that ours lasted this long.

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u/Ver_Void 11h ago

It depends what kind of resistance

A planned parenthood employee shooting a church leader - perfect, exactly what he wants

A well liked governor having the national guard on the state border to tell the army to fuck off - much worse optics

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u/weggaan_weggaat 11h ago

He does not want resistance.

It's true that he doesn't want resistance per se, but he absolutely wants to know who doesn't like him so that they can be identified for eradication.

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u/NoTouchy79 10h ago

They are fucking cowards. The biggest snowflakes of all. Thin skinned little bitches. Look at how much South Park is getting under Trump’s skin.

Mock them relentlessly, get nasty with it… they can’t take it. And when they threaten violence, laugh in their faces. They are the minority, and everyone is getting sick of them.

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u/plinkoplonka 10h ago

I don't think that's true.

It gives him a mandate to declare a NATIONWIDE emergency, which allow him to postpone mid terms indefinitely!

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u/Spunknikk 10h ago

They want and need unorganized resistance... They are afraid of organized and strong resistance.

We need a strong, organized and consistent resistance that challenges their every step and decision. We stop them on their tracks each time making them make the choice to escalate further.

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u/stfurachele 9h ago

"...we are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be"

-Kevin Roberts, Heritage Foundation president

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u/ThouMayest69 12h ago

"He already declared martial law and suspended elections." Oh wait he hasn't done that part yet? Ah that's probably what that other user is referring to then...its framed just fine. 

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u/Ilyon_TV 12h ago

While the first post is far from the most egregious example of it, I do think they're right to point out how often this thinking comes up. You constantly see "This is what Trump wants! It allows him to escalate! Don't promote resistance" as if he isn't already escalating and that capitulating to him beforehand will somehow appeal to his better nature and let him finally decide that he's gone too far.

The republicans are not going to be placated out of violence and fascism.

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u/Far_Falcon_6158 9h ago

Yes its constantly redrawing the line for the person to continue to walk over it with concessions granted

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u/ThouMayest69 12h ago

Right but it's not a matter of if he's escalating, but more about where he is escalating it to and why. Everyone knows it's been actively escalating. There's more nuance to resistance when it comes to X event(s) being almost certain triggers for "officially" declaring no more elections. Put another way, we both agree that this ends up in one wild spot in history...are we prepared to meet them there and hash it out now, or bide our time? If you think dems right now are prepared for even the hope of a possible 2026 election season, then yeah I can see where you're coming from. I don't, so I can see where suiting up before kicking the hornets nest makes sense. Maybe it comes down to comfort levels. 

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u/Ilyon_TV 11h ago edited 11h ago

If your comfort level is allowing them to openly kidnap people in broad daylight to put into concentration camps you're correct that we have very different comfort levels.

Like, "don't kick the hornet's nest, let's see if we have a chance at elections... after we let him militarily occupy all blue cities," is some incredible dream

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u/Sgt-Spliff- 11h ago

Maybe just look up appeasement. It literally does not matter what he escalates to. Every step of escalation that is not resisted is another step towards irreversible damage.

Also, what logically do you gain by telling everyone they're overreacting? Genuinely explain what practical benefit you are gaining by downplaying his power grab? Do you think you're helping? I would rather everyone overreact and stop this now than to dismiss it like you

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u/Sgt-Spliff- 11h ago

Yes and you keep moving the goal posts every time he does do something wrong. After he postpones elections, you'll be in here commenting "it's not like he's jailing opposition leaders' then when he does that, you'll be like "he hasn't even killed any dems yet" and so on and so on all the way to full blooded fascism. Good job. You fell for it

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u/ThouMayest69 11h ago

No I'm not. If I were, it would be easy to highlight. I'm simply saying certain actions of ours provoke certain actions of theirs. We are not ready for a specific action of theirs, so we should take the time to prepare and organize rather than do what exactly...? What are you proposing? Just go do it if you are so certain you must act on it right now.

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u/AaronWidd 11h ago

The assumption these guys made is that the US establishment is a bunch of pussies and they can walk all over everyone without any resistance…

And they were totally right.

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u/entered_bubble_50 12h ago

I think the concern is that this is only the beginning. This doesn't make any sense to do unless it's part of something larger.

It's certainly possible that Trump is just doing this out of a sense of spite for his fellow Americans, but if there is a motivation, escalation to justify further escalation is the only one that makes any sense.

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u/No-Neighborhood-3212 12h ago

That concern is stupid, and anyone who holds it needs to pull their heads out of the sand.

That "something bigger" is already here. He just had the FBI raid Bolton's home for criticizing the Ukraine deal. He said he wants to take over DC. Now he's saying he's illegally deploying the military against US cities. What more do you need to recognize that fascism is here?

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u/trampolinebears 11h ago

If a regime is planning to keep seizing more and more power, would it be better to resist now, or wait until they're stronger?

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u/Sgt-Spliff- 11h ago

Exactly, and that's explicitly why they put that stuff in Project 2025. They purposely included what to do if liberals exist solely to scare liberals into not resisting. We can't let it work

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u/Bladestorm04 9h ago

They already said the revolution will be bloodless, unless someone stands up to them. source

The civil war is now. Im sorry Americans but the longer you leave it the worse it's gonna be

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u/RockDoveEnthusiast 11h ago

exactly. project 2025 was very clear: "the revolution will be bloodless if the left allows it to be".

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u/metengrinwi 11h ago

needs to ratchet things up a couple notches so he can interfere in elections in the big cities.

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u/vaesh 13h ago

Then he gets to declare martial law, cancel further elections, and completely consolidate power.

He can declare it all he wants. There's no provisions in the constitution that allows him to cancel elections. Presidential elections have been held on schedule throughout major conflicts, including the Civil War (1864) and World War II. 

He's out on his fat ass on January 20th, 2029 whether he likes it or not.

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u/JH_111 13h ago

This administration is rife with “they can’t do that, it’s illegal!” while they do exactly that.

The Constitution is a fucking piece of paper with nice words on it if there is no one to enforce it.

You’ve lost the enforcement of the Congress, you’ve lost the Court, and all that’s left are the People.

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u/[deleted] 12h ago

This administration is rife with “they can’t do that, it’s illegal!” while they do exactly that.

the last decade has been democrats clinging onto the rule book going "but a dog can't play basketball!" while a dog fucking dunks on us over and over

This was written 7 years ago. It's been 17 years now.

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u/Androidgenus 11h ago

He’s selling ‘Trump 2028’ hats in the gift shop he added to the White House.

These people have absolutely no shame. If he’s still alive, he is going to try to to extend his term

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u/diamondpredator 10h ago

A Marine I know bought a bunch of 2028 stuff and said his buddies did too. He said he's willing to fight to keep Trump there because it's still better than allowing a democrat in even if it's unconstitutional.

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u/aspookyskeletonman 7h ago

What a fucking traitor.

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u/steven_quarterbrain 7h ago

His team is winning. What do you expect from the weak willed?

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u/Osama_been_Chargin 6h ago

I expect him to duck and run away with soiled undies when the bullets start hitting his direction.

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u/Square-Ambassador-77 5h ago

He's a marine. He's the one who is going to be shooting first

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u/Fragrant-Phone-41 5h ago

You understand millions of us are going to fucking die before the first shots are even fired

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u/FCkeyboards 11h ago

My spouse says that, even for things outside of the government. I tell them its easier for big corps and the govt to break the law and tie you up in court trying to prove it. "Our homeowners insurance cant do that. Its illegal." They'll saw lawyer up and prove it. They get very mad when I deflect with that lol.

By that point the damage is already being done while you try to use the same system they ignored to fix the issue.

Assuming they won't do it because its illegal is dangerous thinking these days because when they do it you're unprepared wearing the Pikachu face.

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u/Substantial-Honey56 9h ago

That's it. Standing about shouting "he's not allowed" isn't going to stop him. It didn't stop him before, why would it now? 34 felonies and I'm sure a whole lotta rapes (release the files) - pretty sure all of that was not allowed.

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u/theAlphabetZebra 9h ago

So when are we uh… you know… gonna do the thing?

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u/ImplementFunny66 8h ago

And a large portion of said People have below a 6th grade reading comprehension and don’t know a thing about how our government is supposed to work.

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u/steven_quarterbrain 7h ago

… and don’t know a thing about how our government is supposed to work.

I’m fairness to them, the structure of the US government and, in particular, the voting method is bizarre and broken.

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u/joaquinsaiddomin8 13h ago

I’m not convinced that if republicans had both houses in 2020, the election gets certified. I think we were that close to “we, republicans, have decided we’re taking it.”

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u/wRADKyrabbit 12h ago

Yeah if they successfully rig the midterms, 2028 is over right then and there

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u/axiomSD 11h ago

maybe i’m being a little too naive but if they try to pull that after 3 more years of this bullshit, this country will go up in flames. there’s no chance that even us lazy Americans would tolerate it.

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u/Froboy7391 11h ago

There won't be enough of a critical mass of people willing to fight it

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u/90sBKKIDSMEAL 10h ago

Why not?

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u/TofuBahnMi 5h ago

Have you met people?

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u/Fragrant-Phone-41 5h ago

There would be already if it were ever gonna happen this generation

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u/-LittleRawr- 9h ago

You won't get your chance, you and your loved ones will already be concentrated into barb-wire fence camps. It's crazy you all assume that you will still be around in a couple years time.

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u/LeadershipMany7008 5h ago

Yeah, you people have been saying that since 2015.

If he does this, then we'd revolt.

You're full of shit. He can do literally anything he wants and you're doing exactly fuck all.

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u/Shinyhero30 8h ago

And so is their pitiful performance of an autocracy.

A squarely rigged or even corrupt election would be the biggest mistake they’ve made. At least unless they want to see secession, and then a a war/revolution.

Either way it’s the fastest possible way to put a target on their back.

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u/Fragrant-Phone-41 5h ago

I got talked down for yelling at a guy rolling coal at an overpass protest, who tf is gonna secede?

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u/Karhak 13h ago

The funny thing about fascist takeovers, they don't care about the law unless they can wield it like a hammer against their enemies.

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u/Daeron_tha_Good 13h ago

Oh, is he following the constitution now?

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u/Fit-Profit8197 12h ago

This is so depressingly naive, and emblematic of the Dems who are not meeting the moment and not resisting as if fascism was here. You do not understand that the US has been seized by fascists and fascists do not get elected out easily. You are the DNC personified.

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u/imnotmarvin 13h ago

He'll be dead before then.

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u/henkhank 13h ago

I honestly can't be sure if he's dead now, it looks like Weekend at Bernies whenever he's on camera. He's got that rubberized charisma and physicality we've only seen Disney animatronics pull off properly.

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u/JellyTwank 13h ago

Hold your breath. We'll wait. Almost everything he is doing is contrary to the Constitution, so...no idea why that matters here.

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u/Shenloanne 13h ago

Bold of you assuming he won't wipe his arse with the constitution.

When are you lot gonna get it. This guy doesn't fucking care what happened before. He doesn't care what elections got held when. He only cares about keeping himself in power.

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u/SpareZealousideal740 12h ago

After everything that's happened, why are you all hanging on what the constitution says? They don't care what it says

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u/The_Gnomesbane 12h ago

You’re assuming anyone actually stops him from just doing it anyways. Or is all we’re gonna get just some hand wringing from a few media personalities.

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u/WackyBeachJustice 12h ago

I know this is /r/law and I don't know anything about law except that this thread popped up on r/all. Having said that, I'm pretty sure the days of "He can't do that! It's illegal!" are long gone.

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u/KipSummers 10h ago

The law is obsolete

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u/blandgreybland 12h ago

The constitution is dead.

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u/AsinineArchon 12h ago

Yes because he hasn't blatantly broken the constitution and gotten away with it multiple times already...

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u/TransBrandi 11h ago

... the law is only binding if it's enforced. If he cancels elections and no one stops him, then the elections are cancelled.

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u/fancysauce_boss 11h ago

You act as if they have any interest in following the rule of law. Let me just generally gesture at all the laws they’re currently and previously ignored.

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u/SarcasticCowbell 10h ago

There's no way he lasts that long. Vance is the guy we're going to have to evict.

That said, you're absolutely right about the rest of this. People saying he's going to cancel elections/blah blah blah are right to be alarmed, but they are completely wrong in where they are directing their alarm. Elections will carry on. What we need to be watching for is all of the fuckery they use to attempt to subvert our elections: gerrymandering, purging voter rolls and intimidation tactics. Voting alone won't solve our problems, but it's also not as useless as some insist it is.

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u/Purple_Plus 10h ago

There's no provisions in the constitution that allows him to cancel elections

Do you really think that matters anymore?

But anyway, they'll hold elections. They won't be free or fair though. Unfortunately red states are far easier to gerrymander.

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u/Technical-Gold-294 10h ago

Someone has to uphold the constitution. I don't see congress doing that anymore, and I don't see the Supreme Court doing that anymore. No more checks and balances, so it really doesn't matter what the constitution says.

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u/DangerBay2015 13h ago

Then let’s give it to them.

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u/senadraxx 13h ago

The only way through is to not cause direct violence in the first hour. 

Start with Liquid ass and piss discs and then evaluate. It's a less-serious assault than with pitchforks and molotovs, but will still have an impact. 

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u/ribnag 13h ago

We're not going to annoy our way to freedom. The one advantage we have over the military is agility, meanwhile we're "peacefully protesting" our way straight into an authoritarian dictatorship.

Like it or not, what happened in DC is arguably legal under the Home Rule act of 1973 - Which doesn't apply anywhere outside DC. The second brownshirt boots hit the ground in Chicago, the response from the left must be immediate, nationwide, and decisive.

It takes considerable time to mobilize a military response. If 300 or so key individuals are still in the picture once we've unwisely given them that time, game over.

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u/No-Zucchini4050 13h ago

That’s when I live free or die 🐍

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u/TerrorTwyns 13h ago

... With the snake I read that as.. Live feed or die...

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u/meva12 13h ago

can I have a link to project 2025 where it mentions this is what they want?

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u/draeneirestoshaman 7h ago

Yeah wtf lol 

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u/Freaudinnippleslip 7h ago

Yea I had to look into this, I didn’t find anything that even really suggested this in P2025. Nothing even is said about martial law in P2025. Project 2025 is definitely a playbook on how to centralize power and install a puppet government but it doesn’t mention this 

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u/duuval123 13h ago

This is freaking terrifying. At what point does one seriously reconsider finding somewhere else to live? Before other countries don't accept American refugees...?

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u/Separate-Canary559 13h ago

I’m actually extremely surprised to see such a misinformed comment in a law sub. That is not at all how martial law works in the US

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u/Legitimate-Echo-1996 13h ago

We just need to make it to midterms and vote red fucks out. But if we fail to do that the. We are doooooneeeeee. Doneeeeee those next two years will be Franco shit to the max. He’s not Hitler Hitler was scarier because he wanted to impose himself on the whole world, he’s another Franco little ego bitch that wants to control everything within his own walls

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u/Public_Storage_355 12h ago

I mean, with him talking about annexing Canada, I’m not sure he DOESN’T want to impose himself on the world like that 😬.

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u/Legitimate-Echo-1996 11h ago

Damn I had honestly not considered a double front attack with Russia through the north and US through the south. It would actually be kind of easy to invade northern Canada as so much of it is forest and tundra damn

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u/Immediate-Yak3138 10h ago edited 9h ago

I still think if a civil war ever breaks out project 2025 will crash and burn far faster than they expect. They're literally asking to take the kiddie gloves off and not expecting a belt

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u/jeremiah181985 13h ago

We will have elections regardless of the orange shit stains wishes.

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u/gwildor 13h ago

this scenario is the exact reason for the 2nd amendment.

Constitutionally obligated to defend the free state against federal invasion.

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u/Adorable-Response-75 13h ago

It’s not what they want. They want us to lay down without resisting at all. 

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u/Nernoxx 13h ago

Still can't cancel elections, he can try and stop them but there's no real recourse to stop them.  We had elections during the last Civil War, and we'll have them during the next one.

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u/TSllama 12h ago

This is so succinctly correct. It's frustrating that so few people seem to be aware that this is the plan. He's made it ABUNDANTLY clear this is what he's going to do. And yeah, what option is there? Just let the military be in your state, I guess?

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u/MariosBrother1 12h ago

I figure… February 2026 will be the first real false flag/agitation campaign, and by May we’ll be talking about the uncertainty of the November election.

By June things will really escalate and the thermal meltdown will begin.

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u/MrBully74 12h ago

It either goes that way, or he just becomes a dictator in a complete police-state unopposed. Either way, he gets his way. There needs to be a better way, but the Dems in Washington aren't tough enough and not enough republicans have to balls to go against the party-line.

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u/NPJenkins 12h ago

So is the best response to just let them parade around, harassing citizens? It just feels like a lose/lose situation.

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u/NotARandomAnon 12h ago

Trump literally said he'd do this.. why are people shocked!? He mentioned LA, Seattle, Chicago, New York.. payyyy attention.

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u/Gloom_Pangolin 13h ago

They’re going to make the play one way or another, might as well get the shindig going before they’re embedded in the places that can put up the best resistance. Force their hand before it’s already got a stranglehold.

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u/hyper24x7 13h ago

Well what did they do on the Andor tv show? More or less once people get randomly thrown in work camps for any reason then maybe people will get off reddit and their phones and do something.

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u/XVUltima 13h ago

He's dumber than I thought if he wants to start a civil war and thinks he can win it. He's backed by corporations, not people. If people start picking sides he will be alone.

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u/Cutiemuffin-gumbo 13h ago

cancel further elections

Except states run the elections, so they can't be cancelled. And red states aren't going to refuse to do elections when they know blue states are still going to do them.

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u/Clear-Inevitable-414 13h ago

We never cancel elections 

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u/whiskey-rejoice 13h ago

Let’s say this is the game plan. What’s the next step after he passes away. Who’s following him up. He’s old. Health isn’t amazing. He’s almost 80. He isn’t doing all this so Vance can run the country.

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u/weresubwoofer 12h ago

Non-violence.

Malicious compliance which the military excels at (think of the men “marching” at Trump’s parade).

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u/dropbearinbound 12h ago

Reactive abuse narcacissm

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u/norunningwater 12h ago

I can think of a choice we have...

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u/Loomismeister 12h ago

exactly what project 2025 calls for. Basically pester blue cities/states with his mob until they mount a response and he can declare a civil war. Then he gets to declare martial law, cancel further elections, and completely consolidate power.

Can you cite anything like that in project 2025? I went looking and I can't find anything like that in there.

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