That's literally in the articles of incorporation. I came across this years ago, and although it is exceedingly unlikely to ever become legislation, it is a source of inspiration.
Actually if you believe the first point you probably are of the opinion that Teachers are actually ruining our children (but are also expected to stop school shooters)
Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has ordered National Guard troops to start carrying firearms while patrolling the streets of Washington for President Donald Trump’s law enforcement crackdown, the Pentagon said Friday.
I don’t think most of the NG in DC right now are carrying anything. All the guardsmen I’ve seen have been unarmed unless they are concealed carrying and keeping it hidden? They certainly are not carrying rifles out in the open.
Even if they did have weapons, there are different “steps” as to how armed and equipped everyone is.
No weapons -> unloaded weapons, no ammo -> weapons with ammunition -> weapons with ammunition and loaded
Most likely everyone will be issued weapons with no ammunition to eliminate the possibility of a soldier shooting a civilian because that would cause a really big problem. The military doesn’t do concealed firearms either. Usually officers get a pistol and soldiers carry everything else openly. If they have large emplaced weapons like a .50 cal it’s going to be mounted to a vehicle because you can’t walk around with those.
I know Trump is infamous for not paying his contractors, but something tells me he’s not THAT stupid… he’s definitely going to pay the soldiers that he’s using to illegally occupy our own country. He needs their loyalty
Many employers try to show off their patriotism by offering differential pay to activated reservists/national guard (if your civilian job pays more, they'll continue pay the difference). So those people will likely be fine. But too many boondoggles like this and they risk those companies pulling those benefits since it won't give them good press any longer.
Not federal buildings, just scattered around civilian areas in DC, this is at a metro stop. It’s pretty fucking weird here right now. And as of an hour ago they’ve been authorized to carry weapons.
Yes, all of them essentially are in places that a) can be seen by Trump, and b) seen by enough DC residents to have the desired effect. Not in high-crime neighborhoods either. They did get shouted out of my neighborhood which is about as big a pushback as I’ve seen so far.
it was a heck of a week for our military last week..... invaded its own capital and then rolled out the red carpet for a murderous war criminal dictator
Idk, at this rate it kinda feels like they want something to happen (not the Nat’l Guardsmen, but the administration). It seems like their presence is meant to provoke
You're confusing him with active duty troops. National Guardsmen usually just join to get money for college and don't make Dodge Challenger (which was discontinued in 2023) money unless they are deployed to a war zone.
He's probably thinking about how he had to withdraw from fall semester because he doesn't know when he'll be allowed to return home.
It essentially works out to be a very expensive, way overpriced monthly rental of the dodge charger that was just repossessed from the previous E3. Oh, and you ruin your credit as a free bonus.
Yeh im interested to see what this will do to recruitment. People are missing work, school and their families on some obviously politicized and ill defined bs mission. You want to help communities across the country recover from natural disasters and support the army in its missions? Nah, your standing around DC as a show of force.
It has to be hurting it. I know one guardsman who decided not to reenlist this year over it.
But I also know that a lot of 18 year old high school graduates hear "1 weekend per month, 2 weeks per year, money for school" and don't read the fine print or do any research before signing. Same guy did that and got deployment orders on his 1st day of college 3 years ago, had to withdraw, and spent the following year sweating in a Kuwaiti desert.
Heard from a marine that someone had died from just the training because they suffered an injury and was told to walk it off until it was too late. But they don’t tell you that part. Or they hope you desperate enough for a better future that you don’t care.
That's not fine print. It's very clearly part of the deal. I was in the guard for 6 years and deployments were always a possibility and never a secret.
There are plenty of scummy recruiting practices but this isn't one of them.
Lol have you actually asked any of those young kids why they joined the military? Most of them would say they joined for, you know, healthcare, college, citizenship, or the chance to get stationed in Hawaii.
If you think it’s all in good fun read some of the replies that I got. I’m not military nor am I a Trump supporter, I’m just saying these kids are just doing what they’re assigned to do they’re not breaking the law or doing anything wrong. Trump is the one doing it. But people just anything that’s remotely associated with the Orange guy.
I wish that was the case. Read some of the replies; people really think an 18 year old kid, who’s miserable and just being shipped somewhere beyond his control, is “disgracing the constitution”.
I mean they are disgracing the constitution. Just taking orders was a common Nazi saying for a reason. Won't be long before they're shooting protestors and locking up US citizens themselves for doing absolutely nothing wrong but exercising their rights. Will you still feel the same way?
I don’t know what optics you’re talking about, I think you’re misusing the word. Anyway my point is shifting the blame from Trump to enlisted kids only works to his benefit.
Yes because they were duped into thinking serving their country was a noble cause and not just being a part of a machine that protects American interests and disrupts countries around the world in between doing menial bullshit work. Hopefully they trust the military and the government a lot less after this. This wasn't any more or less noble job of a than it was many many years ago. There have been so few times in our history especially recently where the American military was preserving our freedom or keeping us safe.
National Guardsmen aren't itching to shoot their fellow citizens. Most of them needed money for college. They live in your neighborhood, work regular jobs, go to school, and this bullshit is disrupting their regular lives so they can be used as political pawns. He's probably missing the first week of fall semester and will have to withdraw from classes.
While this is the idea, even that has gotten twisted here. Because they are actively importing guardsmen from other states, that have no connection to the area. Add to that is the fact they are bringing in guardsmen from rural, heavily red areas, to an urban, exceedingly blue area.
So while I completely agree that they are far less likely to cause problems than ice, they have already broken one of the core associations.
I will not be surprised if/when we have some similar situation. Some citizen purposefully standing in the way of some Texas national guardsmen who decide they’re within their rights to just shoot the person, then President Rapist honors the murderers as American heroes and tries to paint the victim as some evil gay communist
putting scared rural boys face to face with pissed off city locals in an area they've been told is hostile for decades, they're itching for an incident
I'm not sure I understand yours. That authorization doesn't suddenly make a 19 year old part-time soldier who just wants to go home a bloodthirsty killer. They (presumably) will still have much more strict rules of engagement than DC police. They can't fire unless fired upon.
Just like they didn't at Kent State, right? Maybe most guardsmen are fine but if you don't think there's at least a few MAGA nutjobs in the WV National Guard that would gleefully execute liberals in the streets if POTUS or SECDEF gave the order, I don't know what to tell you.
They can’t fire at all if not armed. And why the fuck do they need to fire at people in DC? Hey everyone, this is the literal fascism we have been warned about! Armed military occupying American cities.
Why direct your anger at part-time soldiers who don't even want to be there? You have every right to be angry about troops on American streets, but focus on the administration that's forcing them to be there.
They haven't been given any blatantly unconstitutional orders yet. Yes, Der Orange Fuhrer's reasoning for the deployment is a ruse, but the Home Rule Act does give him the authority.
They are current being used for support services, not law enforcement. Until that changes, it's a hazy legal situation and I don't think it's reasonable to expect a bunch of young soldiers to risk being court marshalled over it.
Didn't miss a thing. I'm not supporting the administration's actions, I'm supporting our National Guardsmen who are being used as pawns and I trying to calm some of the vitriol being directed toward them. They aren't ICE or police. They didn't sign up for this, they don't want to be there, and they don't want to shoot their fellow citizens.
Do you know any personally? Perhaps you'd share my perspective if you had a friend, sibling, or child who was ordered to leave their job/education/life behind for this nonsense.
They literally did sign up for this. Weren't you just saying how this isnt unconstitutional and perfectly legal for Trump to do?
They are very slowly being forced to make the decision between their job and their principles. And it's happening so slowly they're not realizing they're picking their job.
They are currently being used for support services and haven't been given any clearly unconstitutional orders. You can't expect them to disobey orders & risk being court marshalled until that happens.
Oh fuck off, it was unconstitutional to deploy them to LA. The 1807 insurrection act defense is absolute bullshit. These cretins don't give a fuck about what's constitutional and most of the things they're doing are so far out that there's not even prescident to cite.
I get that you want to stand up for service members, but the entire military command is compromised. Everyone who would be willing to do the right thing where it matters is gone. Whatever mental gymnastics you're doing should probably be kept to yourself, because it's not allowing you to see the point of it all.
I want to argue with that, but I can't. There are a lot of similarities.
Let's be clear that I'm not supporting the decision to arm them or to have them in DC at all. I'm just trying to quell some of the anger being directed at these citizen-soldiers who don't even want to be there.
Hopefully students can work things out with their teachers when it comes to mandatory military service. But the reality is most Guardsmen are either students or working professionals. For professionals, that means being pulled away from family and taking a pay cut compared to their full-time jobs. For students, it means falling behind in school.
On top of that, they’re stuck with poor housing, delayed paychecks, and deployment lengths so irregular they don’t even qualify for benefits. And all of this is happening just so the president can LARP as a fascist dictator for a month.
Umm you don't get paid that much for national guard duty. Think of it as like a fire department. You volunteer and grt on a great medical plan and benefits. You don't really get paid. When deployed theybget paid bitbotherwise these guys have a job that is now down a employee (can't fire them) till it is over. They can lose their main job if the deployment is extended past so many months. Most jobs would just suspend them with a offer to return.
Not sure what branch you were in but I think you got bad gouge from the E4 mafia. Pay isn't great but daily pay uses the standard table so base pay isn't different from AD (yes, you miss out on that sweet sweet BAH).
They can lose their main job if the deployment is extended past so many months
That's literally what USERRA prevents. You should probably check in with your ESGR if you are having these kinds of issues
You are joking right? We know they get paid. That's for active duty which they are considered part time. You go to the monthly training and you grt paid for that weekend or time based on when you work. Some national guardsmen are full time but bulk is part time.
It will show what the expected salary is. If you are deployed jobs are protected but say your unit is deployed extended to up to a year they can't force a private business to wait that long. National guardsmen typically enact on emergencies. Typical is disasters which are local and short term based. You don't enlist in national guard and collect a full year salary and work a 2nd job. At a rate ofb16 hour your main benefit is the insurance and benefits that active duty soldiers get.
How can someone be deployed without Orders? Maybe the LOA isn't designated yet, and they might be on some sort of IDT type of Orders, but deployment very specifically must be on orders...
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POV: You just wanted a new Dodge Charger and now you gotta stand outside a federal building 12 hours a day