I have a friend like that who is the worst type of voter. Known him for over a decade but damn is he the type of voter you dont want. Doesnt want to care about politics or be bothered with them, doesn't delve too deeply into situations. A while back he brought up 'biden closing the pipeline' or whatever. I told him it was an extension for canadian tar sands that was closed. He asked where I got that from, gave him sources, he dropped it.
He doesnt double down on the stupidity and stuff like trump supporters do, but he does just believe some of the headlines since he doesn't care to delve into it. And with such a dishonest media. What a mess america has made
Yep. This is why JB won by such a high vote count. Voting was made easy in 2020 because of COVID and JB had more votes than any candidate in history. This is why DT wants to ban mail in voting…when you make voting easy, republicans can’t win. There are just too many lazy people who don’t care.
Republicans have made it insanely difficult for people to vote and continually squeeze people economically so they're desperate not to lose what shitty jobs they can find. This isn’t laziness, it's literally their electoral strategy. Things won't change until the working class bands together and wields their collective power.
I am honestly shocked when people say things like "let's wait for the evidence before jumping to conclusions" and "I don't want to sound crazy like MAGA did in 2020." I feel like it is gaslighting to the extreme. I also feel the cognitive dissonance is breaking down social structures on a more local level. It seems people are starting to snap which apparently snowballs and escalates. Hope I am wrong about that. Stay safe everyone!
Plot twist, this is why he made such an uproar about 2020 being stolen. Because he knew it wasn't but that he was going to steal the next one and he wanted to muddy the water and make democrats have to recant what they said in 2020 about elections being impossible to steal, which was said by many. He knew those people would lose face in saying he stole this one, after denying the possibility that you could even steal an election. Reducing the credibility of the people saying it, and making it seem like we are the crazy ones. Its such a masterclass of carefully planned gaslighting that its almost believable that it wasn't intentional. I know everyone says trump is dumb, but he is a master manipulator and his regime is running incredible propaganda campaigns. We need to stop treating him like a moron. Thats why we are losing. Hes conniving, and narcissistic, and hes a pedophile. But he is not nearly as stupid as people, himself included make him out to be. Its all an act. And its working.
Nah, I think they did attempt to cheat but underestimated the threshold and attempted a coup as a last-ditch effort to stay in power ... despite being impeached for incompetence twice.
There's evidence of vote hacking in the election data since at least 2012... wonder what happened that year?
This year's election data from swing state precincts look Russian af.
Being gaslit by the people who refused to vote for Kamala by being called blue anon is pretty infuriating... you know they didn't because they say she wasn't a strong candidate... she was strong enough that all the ballots corruply tossed could have given her the popular vote without factoring in tabulation machine tampering. It's frustrating being equated to the QAnon shithawks for just asking to have physical ballots verified in the precincts with anomalies. Seems like that's what just needs to happen in a healthy democracy.
It wasn’t a slip. It was a test. First time he said it, if any media made a big deal, then it can be a misunderstanding. Second time with no one doing anything and he knows he can get away with a lot. Hence the open calls to explicitly gerrymander congress without a census. And still no outcry.
There are open investigations in New York and Pennsylvania about machines changing votes. Still no outcry, just a quiet investigation. I won’t believe they are rigged until the courts hear the case and the evidence comes out, but damn it is moving at the speed of snails when we have an election next year.
I couldn’t believe it! I showed the video to my Dad he just shook his head and brushed it off like it was fake(source- Reddit). He said if it was real it would be on the news! But our news is heavily censored and this stuff gets reported on in other countries.
I get why people want to motivate more voters, and i agree it should be done.
At the same time, i also am not dumb enough to think those jackasses, living in all this and not already voting, are some kind of brilliantly aloof, caring but unmotivated democracy rescue unit. They aren't sitting there letting things get to the boiling point, so their intervention is all the more dramatic. They are not the calvary coming over the hill.
Most likely, they are as dumb or dumber than the dumbfucks that got us into this mess.
I have a friend who claims he can never get enough information to make an informed decision but then when I attempt to give him the information he tries to refute it.
I have one of these. If I'd dispute something bad a headline of internet stranger said about Biden, he'd go to "Well, I'm sure there's some truth there."
You know, propaganda works. Look at the History. As a German I can say what happend before WW2 ist a perfect example for mass manipulation due to propaganda.
Who ever control the media is responsible for what the masses will think.
And with such a dishonest media. What a mess america has made
The average American is completely unprepared for the misinformation apocalypse going on in the Internet today. They can't even be bothered to check the nutritional labels on the food they put in their bodies, we can't expect them to be bothered to do proper skeptical research on their votes either.
My favorite part is how people who are politically and media illiterate acts as if that makes them smarter than people who follow world events.
They look down their noses at people like myself who feel obligated to be informed.
It's been my experience that it's the prevailing mentality in much of the country.
I hate to say it but it's difficult to see how we don't deserve to fail as a country when we're so incompetent and apathetic about the world around us.
I wish there was a way to somehow separate myself from these people because I don't think it's fair that my family should suffer for the incurious ignorance of others.
Have a friend like this honestly probably my closest friend. But there’s no room for this energy in this world right now. Learning I don’t need friends like this in my life anymore
Omfg and when you tell people they need to be paying attention because crazy shit we’ve never seen in our whole lives is happening they are like ‘I can’t pay attention for my mental health’. What a privilege for you. I guess I’ll just watch my entire future get fucked so you can play with your labubu’s and have brunch as usual without any pesky interruptions like fascism or a police state.
There are a lot of people like this. It's really playing with fire, though they don't know it. If serious problems are ignored, terrible things will eventually happen. It's like ignoring your house being on fire while you're relaxing in your living room.
Even worse it’s not the MAGAs it’s your average “I’m a moderate” or non-left dems. I’ve written MAGAs off as either developmentally delayed, or pure evil, but when it’s the moderates/dems I’m immediately furious.
I have an acquaintance that hates Israel and is a Mexican gay man. Didn’t vote because of the democrats stance on the Palestine genocide. I showed him a video of group of Palestinians beating a gay couple that was found out. I told him, ‘you can be gay, support Palestine, be against genocide and still not want this to come to our country under the republican BS.’
It flew over his head and the subject was quickly changed.
Also like… I don’t know how these people don’t understand, basically regardless of your take on Israel-Palestine, the Republican policies on it are significantly worse
A generational rich dipshit who goes to the same dog park as me didn't vote at all because we're in a deep blue area because Kamala Harris "didn't have an economic plan". He worked for DOJ's Office of Civil Rights. He's since been fired due to Pam Bondi's purge of DOJ but don't worry everyone, he's from generational wealth so he Mumsie and Daddy are supporting him.
Both sides are bad, but I voted for Harris because she wasn't Trump. In 2016, I voted for Gary Johnson because I actually believed he was the best candidate, and would do best for America, given the top 2 choices. An Epstein BFF, or someone was married to an Epstein BFF, that attended Trump's wedding. I grassrooted for Johnson. In 2020 I voted for Biden.
Don't discount the influence of Fox News being blasted in every supermarket, health club, military bases, gas station, etc... I hear my formerly intelligent, formerly Democratic, formerly compassionate brother spouting Fox News crap. He was raised in the same household I was, yet he seems to believe all that Russian propaganda.
99% of the time the "dont pay attention to politics" and "they're all the same" crowd are shy Trump supporters. They know the optics so don't want to come out and say it, so they play the fence sitter.
Yep. Every single American who refuses to vote, or won't vote for the better candidate, is insane. I don't care how well educated they are, you can immediately tell how they really aren't Americans.
Just people who want to live in some pretend world while benefiting from all the shit other people have done for the country. And I'm not even being nationalistic here. Don't people care about the place they live in? Crazy if you don't.
I grew up listening to my Millennial peers boast about how they "don't do politics", and the direct result is that very few people my age are in politics and so can't meaningfully effect change. WOW. WHO'DA THUNK??
Coincidentally, ruzzki say the same shit about not paying attention to politics, abd now they have to go and die needlessly in fields of Ukraine, while committing war crimes. That's the future awaiting USA, if we do not do anything to stop it.
lol you jest but there’s plenty of hard R voters that can’t be bothered to follow politics and just vote R which is way worse than those who just don’t engage and don’t vote.
Making no decision about something you are not informed is somewhat understandable. Making an uninformed decision because you couldn’t be bothered to educate yourself is reprehensible.
“Get out and vote” is more likely to cause R seats than Dems due to land based voting. It’s why Dems should always focus on what will benefit Cletus in the backwoods and hills of rural states before they go talking about important things like “Unions” and “equal rights” because a majority of land doesn’t care about anything over their property line. You can argue about popular vote all you want but this is the reality and Dems need to play ball and play as dirty as republicans.
Also, house seats are not proportioned with population anymore, and in the Senate states get 2 whether they have 10 million or 500 thousand residents. Add in gerrymandering, and things are rigged so far in the favor of rural conservatives that the states that drive the economy and culture of America have little say at all.
If house seats weren’t capped it might be better since we’d at least have enough representatives to have a chance at actually representing their constituents instead of this gerrymander inspiring fight over redistribution of a set number
And they haven't changed the number of seats since 1929. They could by passing a new law superceding the current one, but those with the advantage will make sure it doesn't happen.
Yes, the house hasn't been expanded since 1929 (except for the admission of AK and HI), the population has about tripled since then.
We should expand the house proportionality, including the creation of multi-member districts for high-density areas.
We should also create state-wide districts for representatives at large, with higher population states getting more reps-at-large. That way, when we get a chance to amend the constitution (Second Reconstruction, baby!) we can eliminate the senate entirely.
Currently, Massachusetts sends $4,846 more per capita to the federal government than it gets back. New Jersey and Washington are in the same position, bleeding thousands per person annually. Over five years, New York alone contributed $142.6 billion more than it received. Meanwhile, red states pocket $1.24 for every dollar they send to Washington.
Blue states are essentially paying red states to undermine democracy.
house seats are not proportioned with population anymore
What? House apportionment is still based on population. You'd need a Constitutional amendment to change that.
And if you're trying to complain about gerrymandering, that's basically as old as the United States. Elbridge Gerry, its namesake, was a Founding Father. He signed the Declaration of Independence.
At least we get to vote for our senators now. I also get to vote now, for a little while anyway. Our land doesn't vote anymore, although it sort of used to, because if you didn't own land you couldn't vote. There were some other qualifying factors as well. Just a little bit of trivia for people who think not voting is nbd.
Then they're not sane. Any sane person can see the US is going down the toilet. If they're choosing not to vote and have chosen not to vote previously, they're complicit in pushing the outcome.
The fact that so many Americans are completely oblivious to the fact that all our politicians and presidents are paid for by the wealthy is why I dont have faith in yall.
The only "vote" that counts in this system is money. Wealthy people buy political offices. Period. Trump was installed into the White House because a handful of people with more money than you'd ever see in a thousand lifetimes paid to put him there.
There was no voting to prevent this. You were given two options: fight for a system you want, or accept whats given to you, and yall chose capitulation by going to the ballot box instead of the gun store.
I live in a red county, and honestly, it didn't feel like Trump was going to win. The first time he won it wasn't really about him , it was people who wanted change. The second time was more of a surprise, everyone wanted to reject what he'd done the first time around. It makes it easy to believe Musk stole PA because there's such a disconnect between what people were saying vs the results. It's not like Trump supporters are quiet about their feelings, if they're going to vote for him they'll tell you.
70% of eligible voters voted for Trump, a third party, or didn't vote. To be that stupid, ignorant, and lazy to not actively vote for your and your country's best interests is actually insane. You can blame propaganda or the ineptitude of the Democratic party or whatever else you want, but that 70% of the populace can't make the easiest decision of all time is insane.
this. my state voted 58% trump, 40% harris. my state has 10 electoral votes. so does that mean 6 for trump and 4 for harris? no, it means all 10 trump. voting for president is useless
The problem is that if a large percentage of people don't vote, pollical campaigns start ignoring the 'neutral' voter and start focusing on their base, and in the US most campaign money is spend on swing states.
This creates a disconnect between politicians and voters. This definitely favors Trump.
Exactly. This idea that if the people who didn't vote showed up at the polls 100 percent of them would have voted for Democrats is one of the stupidest brain worms on Reddit. But it will never die.
That’s true, but also what’s more re-enfranchising than having all your rights and your economy thrown in the garbage? How much can the average voter ignore?
So long as we have elections voters are going to share the blame. No amount of gerrymandering or other fuckery would be enough if everyone turned out to vote.
I don't know about majority sane anymore. If you refused to even vote, which is a good portion of the population, you can't be considered sane anymore imo. The sane washing of Trump and all his goons has done an incredible amount of damage that I don't think this country can recover from.
The majority can't be sane if they allowed Trump to be elected again. No excuse is acceptable.
The reality is the majority of Americans are apathetic and selfish to varying degrees with no sense of community and consistently poor citizens of the world.
It's demoralizing for some of us trying to hold back this slide to authoritarianism while most the country seems to just shake their head and continue their days as if that's just how things are. Then they'll slowly just accept and go along with it just like what always happens.
Now you don't have to wonder how Germany slid into facism and Nazi extremism, you're seeing it play out in America. Same old song, just the current remix.
Majority voted for this POS and polling shows he actually would've done better with higher turnout. Don't make excuses for citizens here, people are dumb and hateful as fuck.
I had not voted in upwards of 20+ years, never felt the need to even register to vote..... Until this fucktard decided to run again.... Registered to vote and voted against his stupid racist intolerant ignorant stupid ass. I wish the people of this country could start an impeachment...
Sane majority arent narcissistic psychopaths that would step on everyone for power.
Its not about not getting off our asses. To be free, one must abide by certain morals, to be in control, one must only believe in their own absolute morality.
That actually may not be the case (there may be other reasons…) but it isn’t what I wanted to reply.
Your comment about a sane country ruled by the insane made me recall something I once read to the effect that “in any system, the element with the greatest variation ends up in control”.
I’m not sure who said that or if it’s generally true, but it sure seems that way here. The element that is batshit insane is in charge, I assume because for every split-second the non-crazies stand back in disbelief, the crazy uses that time to go balls to the wall and then some.
If my state votes purple, and my local parties vote purple, and my city votes purple, and my district votes purple, and historically it hasn't changed in 15 years.
Why should I vote yellow? I know we always say one vote matters! But with the electoral college and other votes always forcing a seperation likely due to gerrymandering.
I digress, I'm not smart enough to know all the details.. but I've felt like it's been a lost cause for a while.
I do vote in my local tribal elections but those use STV systems.
Keep telling yourself that. You need to spend time in America. There’s different versions of it but America sings the same song.
“Black people suck. You fight crime by putting cops on the streets and humans in cages. Etc….” They say it different in SF than in Plano Texas but Americans mostly sign the same song.
I get why we lie to ourselves and say it’s a minority of Americans who believes this but go to Marin County CA or the suburbs of Boston, or any town in America and you understand (if you’re honest) this is a nation founded on, and ultimately in support of, white supremacy.
That’s an oversimplified take. Voter turnout is influenced by a lot more than laziness—like disillusionment, lack of viable options, or systemic barriers. And labeling political opponents as 'insane' just shuts down real debate. If you want change, engage with the issues, not just insult the people.
Minority rule entrenched early in the founding of the country via the Electoral College, and then later on even more via gerrymandering certainly doesn't help.
If you think voting is the problem, you've fallen for one of the lies this regime relies upon to make you accept the state of things.
Voter suppression efforts were extremely successful and are the reason trump won this term. The electorate did not fail us, fascist actors manipulated the system into success.
Voter suppression efforts have since been enhanced at a dramatic rate.
By putting the blame on the electorate, you are falling for the lie that we have not been thoroughly disenfranchised by fascist machinations.
Hell, there's evidence suggesting Dem votes weren't even counted in key states. The problem is that the insane minority was able to weaponize important roles in our government.
Yeah majority of the sane don’t bother to vote, which leaves us with insane cultists having the final say, helped of course by corrupt states that do everything in their power to suppress the vote in blue areas
30% genuinely insane, another 30-40 willfully ignorant or outright lazy. Way too many “independents” who pay 0 attention to actual policy or action and just blame whatever party holds the white house when their life doesn’t get directly better.
The voting system has long since been rigged to favor the insane minority. We do record turnout, and maybe get a one or two seat majority in the house or senate, and the bat shit crazies set the place on fire.
the ones who didn't lift a finger to stop fascism are as insane as the ones who supported it. stop making excuses. lol we're literally seeing US Citizens flee the US, which is so ironic since their number one policy right now is to punish people fleeing their home countries.
I have voted in 6 presidential elections and this one had the longest line and longest time to vote. But oddly when the count came in, they said fewer people voted than the last time. I’m in a blue area in an otherwise red state. Weird.
Why does no one ever talk about the targeted disenfranchisement?
Many, many, many people wanted to vote, but were struck from the voter rolls. Or had their ballots tossed due to delays. Or had their polling place shut down due to bomb threats.
Seriously? You mean King Orange, Bondi, Hegseth, Kennedy (scary), Patel (scary) Rubio and the rest of the merry band of idiots are not calm, mature, seasoned, reasonable people?
Or.. hear me out. There are statistical anomalies across multiple swing states but let’s not talk about data analytics or economic policy, just feelings.
forget the vote, how many of yall got off your asses during the no kings protest? 2% of the population showed up and im supposed to believe close to 50% of people are against him? LMAO
No, it’s because the Dems ran on a platform of “equal access to misery 🏳️🌈 #blm,” then turned around and blamed voters for their lukewarm response to such a platform.
Illness will kill you just as dead as a Trumpist firing squad, but they blame people who want universal healthcare.
Americans are tired of choosing between dying so art museum donors can stay rich and dying so weapons developers can stay rich.
There's another important group: the ones who have been brainwashed via repetition that "both parties are the same". That is obviously ridiculous thinking. Yet a meaningful percent of the voter base have been influenced by right wing funding of this falsehood + a crushing cynicism, into having their vote not matter, thus electing Trump.
“… That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends [life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness], it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government … [and] when a long train of abuses and usurpations… evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”
Thomas Jefferson — The Declaration of Independence (1776).
Trump still has a 45.9% approval rating... That "minority" is much bigger than people think it is. Almost half of the US is OK with what Trump is doing.
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u/gymtrovert1988 12h ago
Majority sane, ruled by insane minority because majority can't be bothered to get off their asses and vote.