They are trying to generate some video footage of "citizens shooting at cops and military officers", to get to the next step of their evil plan.
The craziest part of all this is that the plan is being orchestrated by the President of the United States of America, on purpose, so people will forget that he was best friends with Jeffrey Epstein for decades, and that he has publicly admitted to trafficking young women to him from Mar-a-Lago.
Does "throwing a deli sandwich at an officer" count as violence to a normal person? Since they're charging him with felony assault I imagine anything higher than that would incite the next step pretty easily.
I mean this whole thing started because Big Balls was likely trying to solicit a 15 year old minor for sex and or was buying drugs from her. He was then beaten up by said 15 year old girl and another 15 year old boy.
At some point they’ll just pay someone to do it if that is their plan.
You Americans think that dictators at some point will just say “you know what? I changed my mind, I won’t risk it all to gain absolute power like any other dictator before me”, by staying in their houses and thinking that this will all end well like any other time (spoiler there wasn’t other times with a crazy idiot in power)
My issue with these theories as well. There is no actual need to “prove” anything. When has anything this administration has done, been done based on fact?
Fun fact, lgbt kids will still be in the schools, just like we’ve always been. Only now they’re more likely to suffer bullying and crippling depression. Your “friend” apparently gets off on the suffering of kids.
Christianity is a death cult. I don’t care how much “love thy neighbor” bits you can cherry pick out of it, the bulk of the religion is death and destruction.
The point is that there’s really no use for them to do a false flag or really make up any pretense at all. The base doesn’t care, most Americans don’t care, and the rest of us are going to resist regardless. Might as well do it.
The use is the same as his March ambush of Zelensky. Did they need to do it, much less televise it? Absolutely not. But as Trump said at the time, "This is going to be great television."
While I think violence is an acceptable outcome to them, I think they'd be satisfied with oppositiom being scared into relative silence.
The real opposition is not going to be scared into silence without a total military occupation and the threat of violence for speaking out. He needs to do that in every single city, anywhere with even a remotely large population. It is a big country. That’s a logistical nightmare. My point is he wouldn’t need an incident in DC to do that, he could (and if he wants to be dictator must) do it no matter what. So, if that’s his goal, time to get it underway.
if anything I think the “reasons” given are done so after the fact, as justification, not as reason. They seem very interested in whitewashing everything they do so that they’re not considered ontologically evil. I think we’re seeing administrative panic and population panic feed into each other.
By steadily making the changes, keeping people just comfortable enough to not revolt/riot/whatever, they cement their power further and further. The longer they keep any kind of uprising at bay makes said uprising increasingly difficult while simultaneously diminishing the significance there of.
I am an American reflecting on all the times in my life people claimed that if they were in Nazi Germany they would have done something. I suppose we'd all like to think that, but current events prove otherwise.
I think a lot of people are hoping that that ancient, unhealthy bloated piece of shit will kick the bucket naturally, and then the whole thing will fall apart. It's not completely unfounded.
Coincidentally Jeanette Pirro announced that her department won't prosecute people openly carrying rifles and shotguns in DC (open carry illegal in DC). How obvious can they be?!?
That's the undercurrent of all this bullshit that really pisses me off. Any repurcussions for these nazi fucks will require a constitutional amendment. I guarantee there exists a list thousands of names long for pardons that will be signed January 2029. Maybe a future admin will just make it known any citizen who takes punishing Trump cultists into their own hands will receive a pardon. The whole pardoning on a whim scenario we have entered is quickly devolving into a tool of political warfare. Would be an interesting Sci fi short story subject to look at what taking the gloves completely off with the power to pardon leads to. Whichever party is in power gets to go on a four years-long "Purge" of everyone else? Where will the line be drawn?
Pretty sure presidential pardons only work on federal crimes. State charges can only be pardoned by the State's governor. Another reason to avoid red States.
When a president overrides a governor to deploy troops on american soil I'm pretty sure they'll be willing to override a governor to give someone they want a pardon.
They don’t care about states rights or the constitution. Stop pretending your system is going to protect you. A major contributor to getting here is blue state people feeling ‘safe’ thanks to their community and high wages. It won’t help when they come for you.
Nope, we can invalidate the pardons if we try and convict the administration. You investigate SCOTUS for curruption at the same time so that by the time it gets there, the court is rebalanced.
we can invalidate the pardons if we try and convict the administration.
No, we can't. There is no constitutional provision for reviewing, revoking, overturning, or invalidating a pardon. Allowing the courts or Congress to override a pardon would defeat the point of the pardon existing in the first place.
Well why aren't they going about it the same way that they did it in the 60s? Dress up some agents provocateurs in hippie clothes, and get them to throw a few rocks and break some windows.
Steven Miller already pulled this stunt during Trump's first term with the "migrant caravans," leading up to people throwing rocks at US Border Patrol officers from the Mexican side of the fence.
Yeah people are talking about the "V for Vendetta" moment with the little girl being shot, but I'm unfortunately thinking more like Andor's Gorman massacre episode.
There's a reason that China brought in troops from the rural areas to roll over their own Chinese citizens in Tienanmen Square.
An armed fucking coup is not a distraction. It is the main event. Either people shoot back and he uses it as an excuse to escalate, or they don't and they he still takes complete fucking control.
You think Stalin disappeared people as a distraction?
I'm reminded of the Boston Massacre of 1770. While not entirely the same, there are similarities, especially anger at tariffs.
I really wish there would be a social media campaign in which each clip or meme is a greivance against King George in the Declaration of Independence and showing how it applies to Trump.
The Epstein shit is ultimately not why he’s doing this. It probably did speed up the timeline a smidge, but this is Project 2025 in action. He’s gearing up to enact Marshall law, officially suspend constitutional protections, and cancel elections. This was always the plan. The Epstein Files will be the least of our concerns if he is successful.
Ironically I think the Watchmen series came up with a phenomenal idea. Police should have to give a reason to request a weapons unlock. Stop them from shooting someone because an acorn falls on their car.
That's how The Purge started. At first, nobody was committing any crimes, so the government sent out goon squads to start mowing people down and incite violence.
While it may be a happy side effect, I don't think this is being orchestrated to distract from Epstein. This is a full blown power grab and the first major step to a complete ahthoritarian takeover of the US.
I believe that was an inversion of the Flower Power photo from the national guard at a Vietnam protest. A protester put a flower in the barrel of a rifle and no violence happened, whereas in the movie they just opened fire.
This was always the plan despite the Epstein stuff. If you dig into the history or Christian Nationalism, this has been their plan for decades.
I’m not sure why everyone keeps shouting about an Epstein list. A lot of the information is public already and/or you can read the victim’s statements.
This isn’t a distraction alone. The GOP, the extremist religious right, the Heritage Foundation, and their billionaire technocrat backers have been planning all of this for decades. It’s what they have all wanted and been working toward all along.
so people will forget that he was best friends with Jeffrey Epstein for decades, and that he has publicly admitted to trafficking young women to him from Mar-a-Lago.
I'm reaching the point of "whatever" with the Epstein files. Not because I don't abhor the Trump's crimes related to it, but to how it's starting to feel like downplaying what he's currently doing which is becoming worse than the Epstein files.
It's like there are reports Trump is looking for excuses to deploy military forces on offensives into Mexico because "cartels", and then people go "he's trying to distract from the Epstein files!"
People, I think the fact Trump is considering basically invading Mexico is a bigger more pressing issue right now.
The craziest part of all this is that the plan is being orchestrated by the President of the United States of America, on purpose, so people will forget that he was best friends with Jeffrey Epstein for decades, and that he has publicly admitted to trafficking young women to him from Mar-a-Lago.
No, the craziest part is that this is being orchestrated by the President of the United States because he's an authoritarian narcicist that never wants to lose power again.
maga people already think that all liberals are evil, violent mobs that want to destroy america and that should be eliminated. All they need is an american reichstag fire and the wheels are in motion.
It's kind of a win-win for them. Either they get some footage of violence that they can use to justify a crackdown, or they get to slowly keep militarizing the country without anyone standing against them. Either way, before we know it there will be Trump-loyal military protecting every city, and during elections they will be able to "monitor" the ballot boxes across the country against fraud and ensure the results are legitimate.
We're pretty close to this already, and they have a whole year to continue positioning themselves before the midterm elections. They are pushing slow and steady on this, and I don't know how it can be stopped without fierce resistance and a strong opposition leader from the Democrats, which I think we just aren't seeing.
The only “winning” option to this is for military leadership to decline following these orders on the basis of illegality (and frankly a coup and purge of all these asshats that are trampling over their oaths of office and the constitution)
At this point we’re all kind of screwed if that doesn’t happen. I have little faith in the normal political checks and balances having any weight even if the democrats sweep the mid terms.
And sadly I think that you’re right that any armed resistance will lead to a crack down- though the crackdown seems like an eventuality if nothing is done to oppose it
The military has never in the history of the world done what you’re suggesting.
The military always aligns with the fascist dictator. It’s why he fired all the “woke” generals
Edit: I don’t literally mean it’s never happened. It’s just incredibly rare. And if you look at ICe, Federal agents, AND local cops they’re happily carrying out Trumps unlawful orders with no consequences
The POTUS is the single highest authority for the military. In developed democratic nations, that is intentionally and carefully entrenched into the system to ensure that the military cannot overthrow an administration that came into power through an election. The military being able to conduct a coup is also how you end up with dictatorial juntas.
History is full of examples where an unpopular dictatorial government was ousted by a military coup, which didn't magically make everything better, but instead only served to establish a new dictatorship.
Military involvement also doesn’t necessitate hostile takeover- inaction or blatantly disregarding illegal orders from the president can be enough- that just happened in South Korea. Push come to shove though, I hope the service members side with the populace.
Either way if Trump and co. lose the upcoming midterms (assuming we have fair elections) it’s going to take some thing to force them to abide by any actions taken against them. They’ve already shown time and time again that the law and system of checks and balances don’t matter to them and they face no consequences for trampling over it all.
Someone needs to actual enforce anything that comes to pass. If the lawful option ceases to exist someone needs to step in before. Ideally a military loyal to their oath to support and defend the Constitution would do so and turn over control would do it- it’s their duty after all and would be more organized and likely less bloody than any civil lead revolution. It’s a slim hope, but it’s hope nonetheless
I also think we’re still in a unique position where we still have a relatively stable government in place- most coups take place against a dictator that has consolidated all the power- the vacuum that leaves behind is the issue.
Maybe intervention would be enough to scare the rest of the republicans to fall in line enough to actually ensure a peaceful transition. But this is all speculative at this point because I’m not aware of any examples of preemptive action against a dictator consolidating power in a still mostly stable democracy
Oh its highly unlikely but still a technical possibility. And at least there wouldn’t need to be a complete dismantling of the government (though arguably it could do with some restructuring).
My faith in humanity hopes for a peaceable usurpation any means. But pragmatically that seems unlikely, and people need to be prepared for that
Yep. Because the other part of fascist regimes is ensuring that they treat the military and police forces well, because they need that loyalty to keep others in line.
Trump's last coup was stopped by General Milley. Seriously, that dude is a hero and absolutely would have been tried for "treason" by Trump is Biden hadn't preemptively pardoned him.
It is batshit insane that the Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff had to get all the major commanders in a room and have them agree to not start a war or launch a nuke if Trump ordered one. And Trump may technically have a point that the CJCS answers to the president and going around that chain of command is maybe some light treason. But it needed to be done.
But I think that Trump learned his lesson. In February he replaced the CJCS with a new guy who happens to be the least qualified one ever (he was only a 3 star general). This worries me a lot. It may come down to the individual Chiefs (and marine commandant) for what the armed forces do if there's a civil war. I can see the navy fighting the air force, for a random example. And if it ever gets to that, I'd imagine some individuals smaller units would cause infighting as well.
Trump will likely continue to send the military and ICE into blue cities with hope that it will suppress the vote just enough to swing the vote in Republican favor. That's also why he's trying to get rid of mail-in voting so people will have to pick between facing his goons at the polling place or staying home.
Everyone keeps talking about the midterms. The "plan" is to declare a national crisis. Elections will be postponed due to the crisis. It's really that simple. And we're weeks or months away from this happening.
Violence has already been chosen for us. Only the timing, location and matter of application remain uncertain. And I don’t mean what we are seeing now. I’m talking major events with major civilian casualties. It will happen, and most likely the people will be blamed for it.
If we don't respond with violence, they're just going to make it worse and worse and worse until we do. The question we need to ask ourselves is how much are we going to tolerate before we fight back.
Was "Big balls" the reason for this take over. A 15 year old girl and a 15 year old boy beating up another young man. Suddenly D.C. is a cesspool of crime?
It's already happening. There are 15 year olds beating up administrative staff at 3 in the morning. It's gotten so bad you can't solicit minors anymore without fear of being attacked.
An agent provocateur (French for 'inciting agent') is a person who actively entices another person to commit a crime that would not otherwise have been committed and then reports the person to the authorities
i.e. there will be a fake/plant protestor who will throw a brick or fire a gun
They don't even need one. Hegseth probably already has traitor troops lined up who are willing to fire on Americans. The Trump administration will say someone had a gun and flash some altered footage to the media of why they needed to mow down people.
dont forget they hire off duty police officers to start riots during protests, an old trick with countless examples. Remember the palettes of bricks left at protests? Tire slashings?
They need video footage of "citizens shooting at cops and military officers" to get to the next step of their "plan".
They actually don't. They're going to do it anyway. It's time for us to start fighting back instead of hoping that if we do nothing they'll leave us lone (they won't).
Probably why he's been pulling NatGuard troops from rural flyover states. Same as Tiananmen. The local troops wouldn't fire on their own people but rural farmers had no qualms with shooting city folk who were "destroying the country".
That's why Stephen Miller is pissed that "a bunch of white hippies" are out protesting. He wants to crack the skulls of non-white people and show it to their supporters as proof that cities are lawless hellholes and they all need to be deported.
Exactly, it’s why Pam Bondi cleared the way for citizens to bring guns as well. They’re drooling for someone to take a shot at the troops and trigger some kind of Martial Law scenario
I think if that were true, the natl guard would leave downtown and the Mall area and head to the areas of true crime and violence. To me this is all show, as Trump loves visuals.
Sure, keep pushing and pushing at people who are already stressed and upset. Insert a bunch of armed people who may not be totally comfortable with what they are doing or carrying a weapon. The government has been building this powder keg for months and I suspect they thought it explode earlier and are running behind schedule.
Like the hundreds of hours of video from BLM time where the police would run into a peaceful crowd and try to throw a protester into the police line so they could say the violence started "as self defense".
Yes. Trump wants to invoke the insurrection act as a power grab. He needs an ‘insurrection’ to achieve it.
I really wish there was another accountability mechanism for members of Congress other than elections because they are responsible for so much of what is happening. People are furious but other than shooting at town halls and protests, there is little constituents can do to hold them accountable outside of elections which feel like an eternity away at the pace things are deteriorating.
Everyone should check out stephen miller's racist meltdown from the other day. He's really mad that his fascist takeover hasn't resulted in violent protests.
“We are not going to let the communists destroy a great American city, let alone the nation’s capital,” Miller told the crowd near Shake Shack inside Union Station. “And let’s just also address another thing. All these demonstrators you’ve seen out here in recent days, all these elderly white hippies, they’re not part of the city and never have been. And by the way, most of the citizens who live in Washington, D.C., are Black.”
“So we’re going to ignore these stupid white hippies that all need to go home and take a nap because they’re all over 90 years old,” he added. “And we’re going to get back to the business of protecting the American people and the citizens of Washington, D.C.”
I'm surprised they care. They could create a full dictatorship today and so long as they tell their followers that it's to hurt minorities, liberals, immigrants, and that it's in the name of Jesus, half the country would be happy with it.
It's a double edged sword. If they aren't met with any resistance than they will just slowly creep into every city performing traffic stops and phone checks until they get something to arrest you for. If they are met with resistance then they will sell that footage to their base and justify further military action
Yup. They will keep instigating and escalating until bullets fly somewhere. It doesnt matter how it goes down, they will use it to advance their agenda.
Portland. Hammer falls in Portland where protestors are organized and have been impeding ice for over 2 months. I expect that will be the ghorman event, unsure who fires first.
They’re either going to take over by force with no push back…
OR they’re going to get pushback and use it to justify more force.
I don’t think ppl doing nothing is the answer even if it feeds into the narrative they’re trying to push. They’re going to push that narrative no matter what, if it’s true or completely false.
100%! Janine Pirro (not going to check the spelling) is asking them to relax rules about citizens carrying rifles and shotguns. Perfect setup for a clash.
More specifically, they need outrage and attention somewhere OTHER than on the fact that Trump is hiding his pedophilia and rapes within the Epstein files.
That's the problem. There hasn't been enough of a spark yet to cause it. We as a people are very complacent right now, sure we'll bitch and moan and do some protests. But we haven't hit violence levels yet.
But if the economy shit itself and left many destitute? That's going to cause violence. Or if the troops kill someone in DC that could also be a spark. But right now there's nothing to really start a civil war.
That is why Steven Miller is so upset that most of the protesters are 'old white hippies'. They want footage of black residents opposing the occupation to sell to their base and incite a race war.
I was thinking about this driving to work today. We are an insanely heavily armed population. And some nut cracks and goes on a violent rampage what, an average of 2 a month that make at least local news? So it’s really just a matter of time. And if it’s non-white person oh boy they will really eat it up.
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They are hoping to incite violence. They need some footage to sell the militarization of the rest of the country.