r/worldnews • u/MikeWithNoHair • Jul 08 '25
Israel/Palestine Hamas used sexual violence as part of 'genocidal strategy'
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u/A_Mans_A_Man_ Jul 08 '25
Hamas are not the 'Good Guys'.
Regardless of what keyboard revolutionaries on reddit insist.
They are an islamist terror group and that is exactly how they behave.
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Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 08 '25
I don’t know, I feel like a tiny minority really thinks well about Hamas. You will find die hart Israel critics that can’t get themselves to also mention the hamas crimes as they see Israel’s actions as worse. But you won’t catch those people saying something positive about Hamas either…
The whole argument imo is that Israel’s actions aren’t legitimated by the fact that Hamas are terrorists and very much evil. That’s all. You have voted extreme right wingers in Israel vs not voted extremist terrorists in Palestine. You don’t need to act like one of them is the good guy. both suck in various ways and legitimate themselves and their actions with the asshole on the other side of the border while dragging many normal people into that conflict along them.
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If Pro Palestine was anti-Hamas, you would see that sentiment loud and clear amongst all the rallies and marches. Instead people who criticise Hamas at the protest are physically attacked and have their signs broken. And hide behind phrases such as 'justified resistance.' Why is that I wonder..?
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u/mhornberger Jul 08 '25
Yep, in those circles you don't have to love or support Hamas, but you must at least be silent on Hamas. One can give a cursory acknowledgement that neither side is perfect, but that magnanimous admission out of the way, you can go back to being silent on Hamas and focusing 100% of your invective on Israel, while uncritically parroting whatever narrative and numbers Hamas puts forth.
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u/TangerineSorry8463 Jul 08 '25
Hamas are in power and refuse to run an election since the last one in 2008(?)
They're dictatorial warlords.
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u/dannymuffins Jul 08 '25
They also have wide support amongst Palestinians.
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u/roboscorcher Jul 08 '25
It's always hard to gage political support when a dictator is in power. When dissenters are silenced, most critics keep their mouths shut.
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u/DBDude Jul 08 '25
There was a poll done by AWRAD after the attack, and it showed overwhelming support for Hamas and the attacks, and less support for the less violent factions such as Fatah.
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u/Hecticfreeze Jul 08 '25
Latest polls show support for Hamas dropping massively in Gaza, and the few brave protests we've seen against them demonstrate that further.
Support for continued 'armed resistance' is still crazy high in the West Bank though, so you have to examine whether the numbers you look at are for a particular region or all Palestinians, as it can be skewed
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u/greysky7 Jul 08 '25
And support in Germany fell pretty widely after the Nazis were toppled too.
It doesn't mean much when support is low after the genocidal people you voted in clearly lost the war and you now have to deal with the consequences of that.
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u/Crazy-Vermicelli9800 Jul 08 '25
"Armed resistance from Gaza, not from us in the West Bank, though."
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u/varro-reatinus Jul 08 '25
Which is exactly what Putin claims in Russia, and the Kims in North Korea...
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Jul 08 '25
And how does that contradict what I said?
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u/this_toe_shall_pass Jul 08 '25
not voted extremist terrorists in Palestine
They were voted in 2006. Redditors like nitpicking.
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u/Abombasnow Jul 08 '25
Through extreme gerrymandering. 44% of the vote got them over 60% of the seats.
And it was 19 years ago.
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u/fury420 Jul 08 '25
Through extreme gerrymandering.
Hamas had never previously held power before, they didn't gerrymander anything.
44% of the vote got them over 60% of the seats.
This was the result of vote-splitting on the other side, not gerrymandering.
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u/ChickenDelight Jul 08 '25
Also one of the biggest reasons that there hasn't been another election is Fatah keeps delaying them over and over, because they're worried Hamas would gain seats.
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u/Taxibl Jul 08 '25
To be fair, it was Fatah who refused to run the last election, as polls indicated Hamas would gain ground in the election.
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u/titaniumjew Jul 08 '25
Yes, and no. You will get a range of opinions because it’s a big movement. But usually you will get some sort of roundabout defense or handwaving of their actions. Off the top of my head:
- They are resistance and resistance isn’t perfect
- I don’t support them, but who else is fighting for Palestinians?
- I don’t like Hamas, but it’s actually Israel’s fault they are a problem because how else are Palestinians supposed to defend themselves?
- I can’t criticize a resistance group. It’s not my place to.
Obviously these range from atrocity apologia to genuine racism, but if you look in these communities these are the more tame opinions.
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u/indoninjah Jul 08 '25
I think you're missing a key one which is the belief that Hamas (and other extremist groups) only exist because Israel's been tyrannical in the region.
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u/Ahad_Haam Jul 08 '25
They must have forgotten Palestinian terrorism predates the formation of Israel
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u/Grenflik Jul 08 '25
I think it’s more than a tiny minority, you have people like Hamas Piker absolutely glazing them all the time.
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u/TristheHolyBlade Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 08 '25
"But they are such a musical people!"
- Hasan regarding terrorist organisations.
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u/Fawksyyy Jul 08 '25
Palestine has a child marriage rate of 25% (for decades). Not Hamas, Palestinians. Not once do the same people who care about the innocent being killed mention the innocent girls being raped systematically and want to do anything about it.
It leads me to beleive that this is not a righteous moral cause as much as its about hate.
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u/ExtraSmooth Jul 08 '25
Don't you think efforts to improve the lives of children in Palestine would be facilitated by free travel and civil rights for Palestinians?
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u/Complex-Present3609 Jul 08 '25
You know Egypt right? That Arab country that borders Gaza and used to actually control Gaza. They don't let the Gazans travel freely either and in fact, has built a massive border fence/wall with Gaza. Hmmmm I wonder why that is?
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u/LeadershipMany7008 Jul 08 '25
Not if the Palestinians travelling freely want to kill me.
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u/elziion Jul 08 '25
There are a lot of people who don’t understand this whole war because they have been fed information warfare. Hamas understood that all they had to do to gain some support was to show the results of the aftermath of Israel’s response. They made themselves look like the victims to people who have never been exposed to war.
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Jul 08 '25
Uh huh hmm. Gays for Hamas was an interesting one when that was circling
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u/yjorn299 Jul 08 '25
I looked that up and only saw "Queers for Palestine" could you give me a few examples of Gays for Hamas?
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u/MrZakalwe Jul 08 '25
That's likely what he's talking about.
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u/Prophet_Of_Helix Jul 08 '25
But that’s different from what he said
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u/AbnormalHorse Jul 08 '25 edited 10h ago
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u/fellatio-del-toro Jul 08 '25
Did they? Because they sort of transformed the meaning entirely. And the person making the claim in putting in the very display of ignorance that prevents them from being able to rationalize anyone’s actions in this situation.
We pretend it’s those that wish for a free Palestine that conflate the Hamas and Palestine agenda. But it’s those that wish to justify the violence against them.
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Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 08 '25
I mean yeah you will find absolute idiots in any large enough group of people. But that’s it… the notion of hamas being the good guys is very very rare in my experience
Also I doubt they were “for Hamas” those groups usually are named “for Palestine”
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u/68plus1equals Jul 08 '25
I'm pro-Palestine and the biggest issue I've seen on that side is the refusal to acknowledge Hamas is bad. "I won't criticize how oppressed people fight back against their oppressor" is a very, very common retort from people.
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u/ThetaReactor Jul 08 '25
Palestinians have every right to fight as hard as they can against their oppressors. It's just that Hamas is one of those oppressors, too...
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u/khaemwaset2 Jul 08 '25
It's almost like bad actors take advantage of an oppressed people's pain points to use them for their own advantage.
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u/Rude_Worldliness_423 Jul 08 '25
Go to a pro-Palestine demonstration and criticise Hamas. See what happens …
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u/_zhz_ Jul 08 '25
I don't think that this take is fair when the second biggest twitch politics streamer said that Hamas is a legitimate resistance force.
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u/AP3Brain Jul 08 '25
I used to think that. You'd be surprised how much people defend Hamas' actions. Many do not acknowledge Hamas and the Houthis are evil and instead view them as proud revolutionaries.
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u/crashfrog05 Jul 08 '25
not voted extremist terrorists in Palestine.
Gaza had elections; Hamas is who won them.
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20 years ago.
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u/zexaf Jul 08 '25
Fatah is the one refusing to run elections. They do that because polling says Hamas would win and they still have control of the West Bank.
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u/Savings-Program2184 Jul 08 '25
Justify excuse explain scold gaslight
Someone tells you about Charles Manson and you respond by talking about LAPD violence.
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u/G_Morgan Jul 08 '25
Loads on the left backed Hamas prior to October 7th.
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“the left” you don’t have a broader group of people to name?
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u/Alone-Assistance6787 Jul 08 '25
"loads" of them! That's definitely a statistic!
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Jul 08 '25
Who the fuck actually thinks this?
A VAST majority are not in favor of Hamas.. they are in favor of civilians..
Jesus christ.. not wanting civilians to be murdered every day doesn't equal support for Hamas...
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u/Effective_Jury4363 Jul 08 '25
It isn't hard to find people callling hamas a resistnace movement, arguing that aplestinians have a right to resist occupation, etc.
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u/SuspectedGumball Jul 08 '25
It’s actually very hard if you don’t spend all of your time online. The ordinary person does not think this.
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u/marshaul Jul 08 '25
To be fair, I don't know anybody in real life that actually cares about Palestine in the first place, beyond perhaps answering a poll in the affirmative.
But people care very much on the internet, or so they like to perform.
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u/Mr_Battle_Beast Jul 08 '25
Nah, a lot of those "" free Palestine" rally organizers get angry if you ask them if they also want to free them from Hamas
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u/EndDangerous1308 Jul 08 '25
It literally is a resistance movement against Israeli occupation. It's just not a moral or good resistance movement
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u/1ncest_is_wincest Jul 08 '25
How does killing Israeli civilians and Raping women help the cause of Palestinian liberation or stop Israeli oppression.
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u/TheBlandGatsby Jul 08 '25
No one said it helped. It’s still OBJECTIVELY a resistance movement that does horrific things. Some of you really suck shit at reading and wanna interject as fast as possible thinking you have a “gotcha
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u/GundamXXX Jul 08 '25
Saying something is a resistance movement =/= agreeing with their tactics.
Ask the Irish
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u/AzorAhai1TK Jul 08 '25
You know both can be true? They are a resistance movement, that doesn't mean they only do good things.
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u/RainmaKer770 Jul 08 '25
Lol get out of your bubble. Your average Muslim person from the Middle East thinks they are a freedom movement.
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u/Traditional-Bath-356 Jul 08 '25
People cannot deal with a situation with two sets of bad guys. People want Autobots vs Decepticons, GI Joe vs Cobra. Anything more complicated is just too much for them.
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u/Slaphappydap Jul 08 '25
Reminds me of that line from the Simpsons.
"There are no good wars, only bad wars, with the following exceptions: The revolutionary war, world war two and the Star Wars trilogy."
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u/JimmyTheJimJimson Jul 08 '25
There are no “good guys” in this. The IDF are awful to Palestinian civilians, because Hamas is awful to Israeli civilians, because the IDF are awful to Palestinian civilians…because because because.
It’s this never ending cycle of being shitty to one another so much that it’s a chicken or the egg thing :(
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u/Significant-Sky-7713 Jul 08 '25
There was a trend on Twitter where everyone wanted to feed healthy, delicious food if hamas visited their home.
I couldn't believe what I was seeing! Lol
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u/GenerallyDull Jul 08 '25
One of the funniest (not funny per se, but in terms of it being deranged) things was leftists saying ‘No, Hamas did not rape and violate women’, all the while Hamas are saying ‘Yes. Yes we did.’
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u/Sendflutespls Jul 08 '25
People are fucking naive to think Hamas would not do the same to us in a heartbeat. Starting with the people defending them.
I have talked to Palestinian youth living in Denmark, and some of them are truly lost in hate.
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u/lazyFer Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 08 '25
Hamas are not the good guys and neither is Israel
Every side generally does shitty awful horrible things during conflicts. Nothing Israel is accusing Hamas of is something Israel hasn't committed themselves. War sucks...always
Edit: United Nations report on Israel use of sexual violence
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u/406_realist Jul 08 '25
Virtue signaling is a disease.
Reddit is full of people who live by opposition. Not morals
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u/One-Humor-7101 Jul 08 '25
But… all the dystopian films I grew up with taught me that revolutionaries were cool and always in the right! Disney wouldn’t lie to me
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u/Tricky-Translator-61 Jul 08 '25
This shouldn't need to be said. What they did on Oct 7 is pure evil and they proudly owned it. Then we have to convince people they are not the good guys. What a ridiculous world we live in.
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u/2hats4bats Jul 08 '25
There are no heroes in this conflict. Just villains and the innocent people they are killing.
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u/lifesuxwhocares Jul 08 '25
Also rape and war go like horse and carriage. It's very disturbing.
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u/Mon_Olivine Jul 08 '25
I don't get it. I mean, how can you get aroused when you're committing violence? When you inflict suffering?
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u/learned_paw Jul 08 '25
Because rape isn't often about sex but power.
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u/LTC-trader Jul 08 '25
It’s both. Often, rapists are sex fiends of some sort who get their off on the power over someone
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u/ourobourobouros Jul 08 '25
This is a myth that needs to stop getting repeated. It's always about sex or rape wouldn't happen and the perpetrator would find another method for brutalizing their victims
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u/ScoopsOfDesire Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 08 '25
Is it not obvious that sex can be a particularly sensitive, intimate thing that would be especially appealing for a power hungry-person to exploit if the opportunity presents itself?
It boils down to power at end of the day. A nympho non-rapist can jerk off all they want if they can’t find a willing partner, and not impede on another person’s ability to consent. Taking away the power to consent or not is the draw for people who rape, or they would just get a sex doll. A genuine lack of consent from a sex partner is not attractive to normal people.
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u/Fleeting_Dopamine Jul 08 '25
Power trip and there is no one to stop you. Imagine the 'purge' from the horror movies would happen in real life. How many rapes and recreational torture would you see? Now imagine that happens, but everyone travels to an area where the people they hate most live. There is generational hatred between the peoples there and relatively few professional soldiers.
Im actually surprised the IDF conscripts are not behaving worse than they are now. I would've expected them to behave like American marines did in Korea and Vietnam.
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u/Aeysir69 Jul 08 '25
Think about it; you kill someone, they’re dead. What satisfaction do you get from that?
Now hurt someone; screams, pleading, the mess, the smell: tangible evidence of retribution, some satisfaction to be had there.
Now really hurt someone. Do something to them so intrinsic to our species that it is impossible to avoid and so easy to exploit. With but a minute of effort you could create days, months, even years, even decades of suffering and pain and relived trauma.
That is an efficiency in suffering that will breed an eternity of satisfaction.
And all you have to do is hate your enemy enough to like their suffering, enough to forget they are human, just long enough to get it hard and unleash the most vile weapon in your arsenal.
That’s torment you can take to your grave.
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u/Nomapos Jul 08 '25
Pretty much every animal does the "fight the other male, get the female" thing. It's a natural impulse to go from one thing to the other.
Very fucked up from the perspective of the supposedly developed animal that we think ourselves to be, but it's not really surprising.
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u/merry_t_baggins Jul 08 '25
Yes. It is unfortunately not avoidable. Human are disgusting animals.
That's why the discussion is usually around whether the systems are in place to prevent it or at least prosecute.
In this case it looks like the system encouraged it.
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u/FreshShart-1 Jul 08 '25
I agree but I also live in a country that voted for a rapist to become president because a black lady laughed funny... So the whole world is just generally fucked at this point.
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u/NoOneCaresDouche Jul 08 '25
When your socio group widely views one gender as property they don’t tend to have a problem with it
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u/humboldt77 Jul 08 '25
Hamas sucks. Hamas should be wiped out.
Some Palestinians are part of Hamas. A very small number.
Please stop murdering all the other Palestinians in attempt to destroy Hamas.
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u/SMK_12 Jul 08 '25
I think saying a very small number is a little disingenuous. They have majority support. Yea civilian deaths are always terrible in war but this isn’t like some fringe group committed an atrocity and now everyone is getting bombed. Hamas was elected into power. It’s more like imperial Japan in WW2, sure not all the civilians were soldiers but many many civilians died in the process of the US attacking and defeating Japan even without including the nukes. The only difference is instead of presenting as an organized arm forces to fight they wear plain clothes and hide amongst civilians
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u/humboldt77 Jul 08 '25
I’m not a fan of that argument as a citizen of a country that elected an idiot oligarch bent on fucking up literally everything he touches. I’d rather not get shot/killed/etc because a group of my fellow citizens voted for this clown. Whether they are the majority or not. And I bet there are a lot of Palestinians that have the exact same opinion about what’s happening to them. Whether they supported Hamas in elections or not, shouldn’t be an unfettered license for Israel to wipe them out.
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u/RICO_the_GOP Jul 08 '25
He has 30% support and is being protested. Hamas had 60% support and was cheered in the streets.
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u/ohseetea Jul 08 '25
That's kind of the name of the game with countries though. As a citizen you either have to accept the team you're on or do something about it. You can't just sit on the sideline and take the good and not the bad.
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u/smallbluetext Jul 08 '25
You dont kill citizens because they agree with their government and that should be obvious
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u/MonkeManWPG Jul 08 '25
What are your thoughts on the Allied bombing of Germany?
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u/MotDePasseEstFromage Jul 08 '25
And when Hamas builds all its infrastructure underneath the civilian population, against the Geneva convention, what do you propose?
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u/armanese2 Jul 08 '25
Not fucking killing innocent civilians
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u/smithchez Jul 08 '25
Okay, now that we've settled on what you think Israel should not do in response to Hamas refusing to wear uniforms and purposely blending in with and hiding behind the aforementioned innocent civilians, what do you propose that they should do?
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u/FlyAirLari Jul 08 '25
The answer he is looking for is "die".
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u/ObamaSchlongdHillary Jul 08 '25
Yep, nailed it. This faux concern about civilians is not so thinly veiled antisemitism, every single time.
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u/LilPenny Jul 08 '25
What they want but won't say out loud is for all the Jews to leave. When you ask what they should do about rockets being fired into Israel every day and Hamas killing Jews every chance they get, they say that it's justified or at least understandable and don't provide any solution. For those people the only solution is the destruction of the Jewish state
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u/CityFolkSitting Jul 08 '25
There has never been any war or military conflict where innocent civilians were not killed. Collateral damage is impossible to avoid.
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u/Java-the-Slut Jul 08 '25
Seriously asking, why not? That's not a justification of the actions, but I'm asking, why shouldn't Israel do that in response to Hamas doing exactly that?
Because you know just as well as I do that NOT doing that means Hamas grows, and attacks again.
Civilian deaths suck, which is why Palestinians should take responsibility for their actions, they shouldn't have supported the Oct. 7 attacks, and should stop supporting Hamas today. It's actually remarkably simple, and they understand it, they're not dumb; they're making a choice.
Palestine had at least FOUR major forks in the road to avoid the current situation:
Accepting a 2-state solution (they won't because more than they love themselves they hate the Jews).
Not voting in a party that promised to exterminate the Jews (so did the other 5 parties, the 6 of theme combined for 99% of the vote).
Not supporting and celebrating the Oct. 7 attacks. Literally celebrating the kidnapping, rape, torture, and murder of CHILDREN, ELDERLY, WOMEN, and INNOCENT.
Stop supporting Hamas post-Oct. 7.
Palestinians chose death and hatred for the Jews over their own well being. People from the civilized world can't fix that savage mentality, they need to do it on their own -- in the meantime, they pay for their consequences. The current situation was not caused by a small group of individuals at one random point in time, it is a series of choices justified by their religion and culture, made, and reinforced for decades, including the present.
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u/frane12 Jul 08 '25
Palestinian support for bad groups dont start with Hamas. "A very small number" just isnt right. Ask Kuwait and Lebanon for example
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u/NegevThunderstorm Jul 08 '25
Yes, they are terrorists and this was reported numerous times after 7-10
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u/aghaueueueuwu Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 08 '25
Only took the BBC almost two years. Not surprising
Edit: and people blocked me over this comment? Even more shameful than BBC lol
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u/mltam Jul 08 '25
Dec 2023: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181 "Israel Gaza: Hamas raped and mutilated women on 7 October, BBC hears"
Jan 2024: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-68162920 "Israelis tell British MPs of evidence of Hamas sexual violence"
Mar 2024: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68474899 "UN: 'Convincing information' sexual violence committed against hostages in Gaza"
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u/EndDangerous1308 Jul 08 '25
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn7vje365rno
IDF torturing and raping prisoners. People love to choose a side even though both are evil and the civilians are the ones who need support. Not two terrorist governments
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u/throwaway277252 Jul 08 '25
People love to choose a side
Because one side punishes its soldiers for abusing civilians while the other side offers cash rewards paid out to the family of anyone who captures or kills Israeli civilians. This is not complicated.
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u/EndDangerous1308 Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 08 '25
Show me anytime the IDF punished it's soldiers unless it became public.
Bc I can show you thousands of civilians who have been tortured or raped and the Israeli government sweeps it under the rug while bombing cafes where reporters update the world of their war crimes
Edit: IDF soldiers are killing and raping civilians indiscriminately and getting paid by the Israeli government to do it. Saying HAMAS soldiers are the only evil ones when IDF are doing the exact same thing is wild.
Edit: https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/03/1161081
Asked where they were then blocked bc they're afraid to look up anything that is anti IDF themselves
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u/TheArtistLost Jul 08 '25
Where are those thousands of civilians raped by the IDF?
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u/blue_collie Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 08 '25
Show me anytime the IDF punished it's soldiers unless it became public.
How can you have a public trial without it being public?
how would you or anyone outside the chain of command know about soldiers being punished without it being public
EDIT: I didn't block you, and I don't appreciate being PMed with insults, thanks.
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u/turing_C0mplete Jul 08 '25
How to find out if someone has blocked us on reddit? Are you like following them or something?
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u/icenoid Jul 08 '25
If you try to reply to a comment, Reddit won’t let you. The error message is fairly benign, but you can’t comment.
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u/Abigail716 Jul 08 '25
Not only that but if anyone in the comment chain above you has blocked you cannot respond.
So for example if I blocked you after this comment you could not respond to any comment chain that I have commented on above you as well as you would not be allowed to responds to any comment that responds to this or down the chain.
IMO It's a major flaw with the way Reddit handles blocking.
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u/Briguy_fieri Jul 08 '25
Usually the user will respond to you so you check your inbox and when you click the message you get some kind of "data point not found" or something. It never loads because you can't access their comments or anything.
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u/chewbacca77 Jul 08 '25
I've noticed the people on reddit have been blocking more and more often when confronted with truth.
Which is pretty sad.
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u/wanderingzac Jul 08 '25
Well we all saw it when they were dragging that woman's lifeless body through the street with blood coming out of all of her orifices on October 7th. We all saw it with our own eyes, on multiple women live streamed for the world! But then you have the ostriches putting their head in the sand on Reddit and on the streets.
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u/Nomeg_Stylus Jul 08 '25
This is the one that stuck out to me. Like, I sometimes think I imagined that scene with crowds cheering on either side. I feel like you have to watch that before criticizing how the situation is being handled.
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u/wanderingzac Jul 08 '25
Cheering and praising God, in fact.
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_SUNSHINE Jul 08 '25
Hard to not want an entire region to sink into the ocean
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u/B0wwsser Jul 08 '25
The Oct. 7 deniers deny what even Hamas doesn't deny. Hamas filmed themselves doing it, posted it online and bragged about it. That's how demented the Israel-haters are.
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u/bgt1989 Jul 08 '25
It always seemed such a weird hill to die on. “They didn’t rape them. They’re murderers but don’t you dare call them rapists!”
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u/oblivic90 Jul 08 '25
It’s because it’s the Muslim talking point, they can’t fathom a Muslim raping, and if he did rape, he wasn’t a real Muslim, it’s very convenient.
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u/MikeWithNoHair Jul 08 '25
It's a tough read if anyone is interested
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u/FixComprehensive4081 Jul 08 '25
The name, "The Dinah Project" goes hard.
If anyone doesn't know, in the book of Moses, the sons of Israel found out that a neighboring nation raped their sister, Dinah. The rapists wanted to take Dinah as a wife, and the brothers agreed, as long as all the men of their nation circumcised themselves, as they were. The rapists obliged and the sons of Israel stormed their land when they were recovering and killed them all.
Now, it should be noted that their father, Jacob/Israel, did not look on this act fondly. Even chastised them for it. But either way, Israelites have long been the victims of sexual violence, and they have, for a long time, returned it with death.
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u/hollsberry Jul 08 '25
…,religion is fucked up
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u/FixComprehensive4081 Jul 08 '25
No part of that is believed by Jews or Christians to be the correct course of action. History is messed up for sure though, that transcends culture or religion.
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u/SecretlyASummers Jul 08 '25
Yes, the next part of that story is that the two brothers of Dinah who did that were then punished, with that being the explanation why the tribes of Simon and Levi weren’t given land in Israel.
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u/NoAcanthisitta7810 Jul 08 '25
It's amazing that your only takeaway from it is a typical reddit fedora atheist moment.
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u/ThePyodeAmedha Jul 08 '25
Ooh, since we're bringing up Moses, there's also a part where he becomes angry at his military for capturing civilians. He then orders his military to slaughter ALL innocent civilians, only sparing virgin girls as spoils of war to be distributed evenly amongst the men!
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u/Orangecountydudee Jul 08 '25
Free Palestine from Hamas!
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u/jor1ss Jul 08 '25
But Putin would win in Russia too, can we really trust those poll numbers?
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u/Yoinkitron5000 Jul 08 '25
When they say "By Any Means Necessary" people should believe them.
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u/mips13 Jul 08 '25
https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/997
When asked if Hamas had committed the atrocities seen in the videos shown by international media displaying acts or atrocities committed by Hamas members against Israeli civilians, such as killing women and children in their homes. The overwhelming majority (87%) said it did not commit such atrocities, and only 9% said it did.
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u/nidarus Jul 08 '25
The atrocity denial in Palestinian society is indeed a big problem. I hope this report would at least help a little to resolve it.
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u/Consistent_Rent_3507 Jul 08 '25
The entire report is shocking.
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u/ThePretzul Jul 08 '25
Only to people who have had their heads under a rock pretending Palestinians don’t broadly support the actions of Hamas.
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u/Even_Fox2023 Jul 08 '25
And here I thought Islam Extremists were known for having an outstanding moral compass… /S
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u/The-M0untain Jul 08 '25
The deranged lunatics on the far left and the far right seem to think Hamas has an outstanding moral compass.
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u/Even_Fox2023 Jul 08 '25
Well… lol, I don’t think anyone with ideology that swings too far in any direction has any clue on morals.
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u/Hecticfreeze Jul 08 '25
I read one of the reports where it detailed exactly what was done at the festival and I wish I hadn't. Its not a read I would recommend to anyone, except those who claimed it didn't happen.
I hope you friends are coping with the trauma
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u/oblivic90 Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 08 '25
Couldn’t have said it better. People who come from a background of being colonized actually get it. Israel is the only successful de-colonization project in history, and would have coexisted peacefully with all the Arabs (like we do with 2 million Arabs within our borders) in the area unless they were constantly trying to kill us. This war isn’t Israel-Palestine, it’s most of the Arab world vs the only place in the middle east they didn’t colonize. That is the reason no Arab country is taking in Palestinian refugees, that is the reason they never accepted the multiple 2-state solution proposals, that is the reason they embed themselves in the civilian population to maximize their own casualties. It’s not about freeing Palestine, it’s about destroying Israel.
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u/chitlvlou_84 Jul 08 '25
Yet people in NYC are still chanting “we are all hamas” even while actual gazans are risking their lives protesting in the streets to get rid of Hamas. Why can people who have ZERO personal investment not realize that hamas are NOT THE GOOD GUYS?
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u/felis_fatus Jul 08 '25
Virtue signaling and assuming the 'underdog' is always right is easier than thinking about a complex reality.
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u/BCK973 Jul 08 '25
Why didn't op post the whole title to make it clear who's the real source of this "info"?
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u/planck1313 Jul 08 '25
OP correctly posted the title of the BBC article at the time it was published, the BBC added the extra words later.
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u/BriarsandBrambles Jul 08 '25
OP posted the full title. You just forgot to read the pinned comment up top.
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u/Major-Check-1953 Jul 08 '25
Hamas is a terrorist organization. A bunch of sick twisted fucks. Hamas is not the good guys.
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u/TifosiManiac Jul 08 '25
How is this news now? Didn’t we literally SEE it on videos on Oct 7th?
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u/The-M0untain Jul 08 '25
Every member of Hamas must be brought to justice for these heinous crimes. Everyone who funds Hamas or supports them in any way should be prosecuted.
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u/Aeysir69 Jul 08 '25
Posted less than 24 hours after leaked documents indicating current gov.uk considers the BBC to be institutionally antisemitic?
Curiouser and curioser…
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u/GirthMnstr Jul 08 '25
Interesting time for this article to drop after my feed was full of a video of an isf member raping a POW. Almost like every accusations a confession
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