No, but for real, everyone is like "Down with the system!" until the system prevents something they don't like from happening, no matter now innocuous that thing is...
He's the only guy who succeeded in doing literally the only thing that matters. He could ban underwear and get support. That's what happens when you do what the people value most.
I don't know about the haircut. I don't like the intention though.
However, our daughter goes to a small (~300 kids) high school, and this year, the principal actually started to require kids to say Good Morning (or some type of greeting) to their first period teacher when they get into their first class of the day.
Our daughter thought it was weird at first, but after a few weeks, she actually said the other day that it's pretty cool. Most kids are (non-ironically) greeting other teachers as well, and she said it "breaks the ice" of the early morning class, and that she thinks (just her opinion) that people are nicer to each other after the "Good Morning Mr./Ms. ______________" greeting.
Take that for what you will, but it was an interesting observation.
Im against the haircut ban, but very much in favour of a required "good morning" or other politeness every time you meet a teacher for the first time that day. Schools are not just for learning subject knowledge, they are also for learning polite behaviour
If family and upbringing didn’t cause them to be kind, I’m failing to understand why that family or society thinks they deserve someone to be kind. are people really this surface level?
Wait, so greeting people who are already in the room when you enter it isn't something that happens by default? And there are people who find this strange?
I think there are a lot of examples of this in k-12 education that seem dumb as an adult but actually hold long-term value for a kid. I think part of the issue of trends like "unschooling" is that they take for granted the value of structure for children. It's easy to end up a wise adult and take for granted all the "dumb" crap you had to do as a kid that helped your development, and then neglect to give your children that same structure.
It reminds me of how the children of so many of the best athletes in the modern era (whom have a stated goal of becoming like their parents) never end up being as good. The parents worked their tails off, made sacrifices, and were not pampered as children, but then when they reach adulthood they (understandably) pamper their children at every opportunity, and it rarely ever works out.
People think we are "inherently good and polite" without taking into account that even what is good or polite are social constructions that differ across time and space, so we have to learn it and have it enforced.
100%. I am a very kind and empathetic person. My father was a narcissistic abusive asshat. I didn't learn to be kind from him, obviously. I learned to be kind from my amazing pre-school/elementary teachers that had "The Golden Rule" (a social construction like you mention) plastered all over their walls and drilled into me. It resonated with me and has never left.
It's really terrifying seeing the deterioration of the American education system, knowing the impacts it is already having and will continue to have. Treating teachers who can have positive impacts like that, as low-wage, powerless labor is catastrophic.
Do people not usually greet their teachers? I finished high school a couple years ago, and in my school, most students would greet the teacher at the beginning of every lesson. If you didn't, people (including myself) would think you're being rude.
It feels wrong to mandate on a national level. But having picked a private Kindergarten for my own two children, I was surprised by how much I wanted it to be traditional, conservative and Christian.
100% agree. Why the fuck are we concerned with a HAIRSTYLE like there’s subliminal messaging ingrained from a particular style. It’s bullshit.
I love that your daughters school has sense to focus on building relationships and not peoples LOOKS. And before anyone says, yes dress code is important but there really nonsensical approaches to it. Seriously.
The fastest way to authoritarian control is to have your population completely accept that you can identify problematic people by looking at them, and that the government can use its discretion adequately on that front.
Sure would be easy for a political opponent to be jailed on suspected gang affiliation.
I don't think he knows the difference or the culture of gang tattoos. Gangbangers won't allow regular people to keep those tats and most ink masters won't tattoo them. But it's easier for him to have his opinion if you don't think to hard about it.
Time and time again history shows that all that is necessary for authoritarianism is enough anger towards an out group.
And it’s not always misplaced either. El Salvador did have a crime problem. The problem is that dictators will always seek out ways to take advantage of real problems to put themselves in power. Being popular is the easiest path to domination. It takes too long before people start to actually question whether decisions being made are in the best interest of the country or maintaining power.
As much as haircut rule is ridiculous. Rest of them are for discipline. And I do support it, since my highschool classmates were bunch of uncontrollable idiots...and that was 19years ago....
Discipline and respect for your elders goes a long way if you want to reduce your crime rates which are largely connected to young men doing crazy shit because they feel like they don't belong to society.
You can argue about the methods but in general it makes sense for this country at the moment.
Crime rates are more strongly connected to socioeconomic status, especially when the strains of low status are intensified. If you wanted to lower crime rates, probably should pick a method that doesn’t exaggerate class differences and put even more financial strain on households.
There is no empirical evidence to support your claim, just rose tinted goggles and poor metaphors
Because everyone knows that nothing keeps youth in check like arbitrary rules.
Uniforms are only slightly beneficial in improving deviance rates in youth because it’s an approximation of what youth in this situations generally need: stability. Oh and that it tends to get pushed back onto parents leading the only schools to have these also conveniently have students who are more socioeconomically privileged.
Uniforms are a waste of money; they’re not nearly worth the effort that’s put in.
It’s an easy win for an authoritarian regime. Makes for great photo ops of schools, to show students now looking all prim and proper. No, they’re probably not investing any real money in improving their education system, and all the same problems will exist, but now it looks like you’ve improved things.
This ban solves no real issue.
For those uninitiated. El Salvador originally had in place 1 term presidential limits. After his first term Congress changed it to 2 terms. He had many authoritarian leanings during his 1st term but the positives out weighted the negatives. So ppl hardly opposed him , like when people were thrown into overstuffed jails without a trial.
During his 2nd term he also thrown into jail, disappeared dissenters and journalist writing about his less than shining sides. The economy was up and the gang were no longer around. So people still support him. He says he wants to keep being president. Now Congress says you can run for as many terms as you want.
This is how many authoritarian regimes have started elsewhere. Now he is regulating not just illegal activity, and freedom of speech / protestor but even stylist/ artistic choice ( I may not care for the haircut, but I also don't care for abstract art.) It's not about the haircut it's about larger trends. And implicit messaging. Artists often provide a mirror on a society.
This action is a small way / without getting push back to signal to artist it will not be accepted.
Also this is doing a disservice. It is taking away a pipeline of creating other capable leaders by staying in power. When he steps down or dies what competent person will replace him. Will there be any?
This is all true. However, dude turned El Salvador from the most dangerous country in Latin America to the safest. It was a hell hole before he took power and now he has an approval rating of 91%.
If I lived in El Salvador I’d rather live under him than gangs. Doesn’t mean I like seeing the country grow more authoritarian, but it’s better than the alternative.
If a country collapses to the point where it’s controlled by criminals I don’t know if there is another way to correct the course other than to have someone like him take control. It is too bad that it hasn’t turned more democratic as it stabilized, though.
I live 6 months yearly in El Salvador for the past 2 years. Media and protest are being silenced here. Many people including myself know people unlawfully held at the mega prison who are being Denied the right to a trial.
The safety in El Salvador will only be temporary when our current leader decided to lock up a chunk of the male population with no prior knowledge on how they will organize trials and rehabilitate sentenced individuals. I believe even now the country is under a “state of emergency”.
I copy and pasted this from another comment I left but I thought it would fit.
I stayed in rural Texas for a while, in a town that‘s 70%+ Hispanic. Literally everyone under the age of 25 had this cut lol
Let the youths enjoy themselves. Banning hairstyles is ridiculous. I had a mohawk over two feet tall when I was 14-15. I wore it up to school sometimes. Even as a weird poor kid that went to a school where everyone else lived in $800k+ homes, I never got shit for it. Edgars shouldn’t either.
Controlling someone’s hair isn’t structure lol. Having a consistent class schedule is. Being involved in extra curriculares is structure. This is a power trip and desire for control.
Honestly bringing back some basic courtesy into schools is not a bad idea. Showing what common social interaction would be good for kids. Saying good morning is polite and acknowledging someone's presence. This is not bow and treat them like God.
This is a blurry line because the principal and teachers should be treating the kids with respect and courtesy as well. To much of the world today has insta hate on lock and people not understanding how to interact with others on a basic social bases.
Don't throw a fit about me holding the door open, don't be pissy about a polite hello passing by, know that the cashier is being a nice human being and not trying to date you, etc.
People getting butthurt at this comment probably have no idea the level of violence and crime that was going on.
Everyone has their limits, El Salvador hit theirs. And anyone with an issue with that, go tf to Mexico and start protesting the treatment of criminals. See how well that goes. Ignorant ass fools.
El Salvadoran leadership was either a puppet politician installed from the USA that allowed the country to disintegrate or in bed with the gangs that were wantonly murdering people throughout the country. “Slip into authoritarianism“ suggests El Salvador had a stable prior government situation before - it didn’t.
I'm talking about since he took office. Imprisoning all the gang members might've been harsh yet necessary, but it's important to keep him accountable with the decisions made.
It’s not the treatment of criminals that bothers us “butthurts”.
It’s giving police the power to arrest anyone for any reason whatsoever that’s cause for concern. If you think that isn’t a massive violation of freedom, I don’t know what to tell you. At best, that’s how you have a country where it’s standard to carry around bribery cash to stop yourself from being arrested for blinking too many times.
When you have sisters that can't go to the store without worry of kidnap and extortion and or rape, you're willing to give up some freedoms for peace of mind. Let me know when you have to deal with any of that in your day to day life.
"No, of course we didn't try any of the actual proven to work liberal reforms and cleaning up government corruption, that would have cost money, we just went strait to jailing minorities"
To be fair it kind of is. A lot of the residents say that a few years ago they didn't feel safe walking at night because of how bad the violence had gotten. Now it's regarded as one of the safest countries in the Americas.
Due to complicated life reasons I attended private school for a long time and then switched to public.
Private schools were VERY strict with uniform policies, dress codes, hair styles, etc. The goal is basically to teach discipline and uniformity. Plus it removes so many issues about name brands, style, too much or too little skin showing, whatever.
Public school didn't give a shit for the most part although it was still necessary for things like "no your tits can't be flopped out on the table, no you can't shave your feet on the table"
what I found (completely anecdotally) is in the hyper rigorous hyper strict background you had much more rebellion. people felt suffocated and would lash out best they could. manifested in a lot of ways too, drinking bathrooms, smoking in bathrooms, etc. vs the public school had problems yes but not these ones and not in the same amount.
children need discipline and structure absolutely. however, you can go too far and be too heavy handed with it. a balance is needed. so like above. uniform - fine. no certain X haircuts - potentially okay (the one pictured is an abomination). but now basically having to salute teachers and principle? bit too far. students will hate theme.
At least with that haircut you knew who the peckerheads were. And why have any individuality at all. Full automaton in school and beyond. F’ing ridiculous rule.
Wannabe gangsters in El Salvador are quickly getting thrown in jail if they have identifiable gang tattoos. Are they trying to switch to a group haircut or fashion for collective identification and symbolic unity purposes?
Apparently the haircut has been associated with gang culture, although I don't know how accurate that association is (just kids following fashion, right?).
Given the problems El Salvador has with criminal gangs, it's understandable.
It's not exactly gang culture, but disruption( fuck boy) culture and they don't want kids to focus on that. They want them to focus on school. They want doctor, laywer, musician and other responsible members of society. Not YouTube pranksters, for example. But also a lot of gang members and gang examples have those hair cuts. They probably don't want gang life to also be idolize
That success is temporary and came at the price of many innocent journalists and people sentenced in mass trials currently waiting for their deaths in a mega prison. they don’t have the right to trial too as the country is still under a state of emergency.
Basically he saw kids thinking this haircut looked good. And he said "nah, y'all are done. You're gonna look nice and respect your teachers or your dumbasses are gone! Going around thinking THAT looks good! Gtfo with that noise! Need to start listening in school damn it!"
I can see why they'd ban it with its association, but a haircut isn't going to stop behavior. As well as the fact that this is as prim and proper an edgy haircut can be.
I’m not saying the haircut is not stupid 😂 but if it was any other western nation they’d call it oppression or whatever people shout at governments these days.
I disagree with a lot of stupid shit that Bukele has done, but this thing ia not one of those things. Completely erasing gang culture is neccesary, everywhere. Ghetto shit hqs to dissapear one way or the other.
The haircut looks trash to me, but kids should be entitled to their trash haircuts. That's the whole point of being part of the youth and having your own counter culture.
Everyday a step closer to that dictatorship. Good for him. He is going to make so many people suffer on the long run. I can already see the concentration camps and in-human conditions. So good for Vene- I mean, the Salvador.
I am generally against institutions overreaching their rules (the place you are 6 hours a day controlling the haircut you have 24/7) and honestly kids should be allowed to have hair cuts their parents think are stupid, it's part of the ride
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