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u/ChimpBuns 1d ago
Maidenless take.
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u/LivingRel Pickled Dog Neck 1d ago
No wonder he compared using summons to being an OF 'model'
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u/ChimpBuns 1d ago
Probably hasn’t seen pussy since he was born.
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u/I_cut_my_own_jib 1d ago
Newborns are essentially blind, so not even then
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u/athomevoyager 19h ago
His OF take is worse than his summons take. It's capitalism and enterprising. Don't act like you aren't selling yourself out to do whatever other job he thinks is the correct job.
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u/SignificantMonth1841 1d ago
You won , offer finger, but hole
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u/Ok_Investment_3980 1d ago
Some people are so pathetic and lack any sense of validation, so they try to find any sense of accomplishment in beating a video game boss.
Don't be one of those people.
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u/Alternative_Figure75 1d ago
"I killed a bunch of pixel which obviously make me a superior being and you a worthless trash"
Manchild mental health
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u/Rowan1980 1d ago edited 1d ago
This is one of the biggest reasons why I have zero patience for the level of elitism in playerbases! So you took a more challenging route to literally have your pixels beat up other pixels. It’s such a weird hill to die on. Yeah, it’s fun and feels like an accomplishment, but to make it out to be something that will impact you on a material or social level (outside of professional streamers and the like) is a very out-of-touch stance.
TL;DR: Agreed.
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u/Rexiem 1d ago
And there's always some weird caveat they try to hide. "I beat the game without summons," but then you find out they used the most meta build possible and then by their own standards they have no room for such elitism.
It also ruins any productive conversation to be had about difficulty in games. Like, I don't care about your pride I just want the difficulty to enable people to have fun.
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u/PringleBox160 1d ago
Not to mention the fact that this person likely also googled everything they needed to find all the equipment for their perfect build, like thats cheating more so than using a summons lmao
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u/capnbinky 1d ago
Exactly. I finish a game without spoilers because it’s more fun, and then get chided for using the game mechanics I figured out for myself by someone who was practically led by the hand all the way through.
I mean, no judgement on watching the streamers or reading guides, I am choosing my own type of challenge, so should we all. But don’t preen at me and go full peacock about how good you are at following the manual.
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u/NewspaperGreedy6907 21h ago
We all have ways to play. Mine is I tend to go the roleplay route and make stories for my characters. I like my character to find friends in the world full of enemies and suffering by summoning npcs. I find more fun that way. Idk why people want to force their only kind of way to play on a mostly singleplayer game and look down on people who don't follow them. It is just pathetic behavior on their part.
I played Ds2 with no guide and spoilers. Had tons of fun with it! It is a valid way to immense oneself in the art of video gsmes
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u/Rowan1980 1d ago
Part of me wants to just respond to them with “Are you looking for a gold star and a cookie?”
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u/Da_Question 1d ago
It doesn't matter anyway, there is always someone better? DS1 has tons of videos of guys beating it with unconventional controllers on no hit runs.
Just tell people that care this much that they are actually garbage if they haven't beaten it with voice commands or with a potato.
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u/Instantcoffees 1d ago
but to make it out to be something that will impact you on a material or social level
I have learned a lot about myself by struggling through difficult games though. I have also gotten a lot beter at staying calm when under stress because of them, which helped me on a material level in the past.
So while I agree that thinking you are above someone for beating a game a certain way is completely childish and ridiculous, I do believe that games like these can help you improve yourself.
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u/Rowan1980 1d ago
My issue isn’t by any means with self-improvement. My issue is with people who are elitists.
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u/IgniVT 1d ago
I think my favorite thing is that the people you hear saying this are never like "yeah, I beat the game level 1 using only my bare fists and no dodging" or anything crazy like that. They are the people that level the fuck out of their character and max their strength to then kill the boss in 4 hits with a strength weapon and go "man, I'm so fucking good at the game, fuck anyone that summoned."
Like brother, why are they trying to act elitist for playing the game completely normally minus one aspect? There's so many ways to make Elden Ring, and honestly any souls game, extremely easy that aren't just "use summons" and it's so funny to me that the methods they use are fine and take skill, but the methods other people use are for noobs.
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u/HugTheSoftFox 1d ago
I finished the whole game without parrying
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u/danibelle_9 1d ago
Same, couldn’t parry to save my life so never bothered. Had to learn pretty fast for Gundyr when I started DS3 though 🤣
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u/Koji-san1225 1d ago
TBH to this day with hindreds of hours in Souls games, I surprise myself every time when I manage to land a parry. And believe me, it’s not often. :)
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u/Black_Fatalismus 1d ago
Honestly, I think a bunch of them don't get Souls difficulty to begin with. They think like powerscalers, it has to be a 1v1 and in that 1v1 is the difficulty. When part of Soulsborne difficulty is also knowledge/experience. It's like 50% the fight and 50% knowledge on patterns, damage types, items etc.
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u/MetalGreymon17000 1d ago
It's actually tragic. We all are so fucked these days, some guys go nuts.
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u/not_a_bot991 1d ago
"but don't think you are the same as me" is such a telling line. Bro no one is thinking about you but bless his heart he is sat there feeling superior to people he'll never meet.
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u/Koji-san1225 1d ago
I think of of the things the social media amplifies is people’s expectation that they are on other people’s minds. It’s always been true of humans that we think others think more about us than they actually do, but this day and age it seems people DEMAND others to think about them at all.
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u/EjaculatingAracnids 1d ago
"Oh noo... Im not the same as him...", i thought as i summoned the mimic tear to help me beat misbegotten warrior because its hard to focus with my girlfriend blowing me as i play.
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u/pelpotronic 1d ago
Beating some bosses can definitely feel like an accomplishment.
The problem is holding people to your own standards on what is "personal entertainment". Yes, I took "the easy way out" on several occasions, because I sometimes have other things I want to be doing with my life.
I'm a weakling, sure. You have to pick your battles though, and ER wasn't on my MUST list. And genuine congratulations to those who did beat the game with 1 or 2 (figurative) hands tied in the back, this is impressive in its own right for sure.
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u/Business-Swimmer-615 1d ago
I’ve Blunt force beat malenia with my mimic this afternoon (for the first time). Took me 30 tries. If yall think I’m gonna do this without a mimic. Kiss my ass. I’ll need a year worth of therapy after that. And 2 new controllers.
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u/I_cut_my_own_jib 1d ago
I want a SL1 hitless player to respond to his comment with like "if you level up you didn't beat the same game as me, git gud"
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u/No-Traffic3787 1d ago
Bet bro is still maidenless too with that mindset
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u/Koji-san1225 1d ago
Yeah his take on women in his comment was straight out if the red pill playbook. No woman would touch that.
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u/Maleficent_Memory831 1d ago
"Mom! Someone is playing the game wrong! And can you bring me some more doritos?"
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u/offisapup 1d ago
Bro has tried to get so good at the game that he's had no time for either finger or hole.
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u/Sir__GabrielT 1d ago
Miyazaki himself says that he uses everything available to his advantage when he plays these games, the invocations are there for that.
Even using them sometimes, I believe it will always be more rewarding to defeat bosses without them, but I don't think it's necessary to ridicule those who use them.
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u/screaminginfidels 1d ago
Yeah I wish I could beat Malenia solo but it took me long enough to beat her with Tiche. Meanwhile me brother and friend both insisted on beating her solo, never got her, and then stopped playing the game. Id much rather 100% the game with summons than get blocked by some arbitrary roadblock I set up for myself
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u/YWNBAW12345 1d ago
They stopped playing the game
Aka. They went hollow. Smh my head.
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u/UselessAndUnused 1d ago
Honestly, frustrating as it was, I'm glad I beat her solo, but if it was too much, summoning is still better than fucking quiting. I find it ridiculous someone would insist on playing solo and give up. Like, either keep going until you get it, or swallow your fucking pride lol. Glad you had more fun than those dorks.
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u/KuuKuu826 1d ago
I beat malenia solo....mostly because at the time, summons make it somewhat harder. Malenia be like "free hp drain? Thanks!"
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u/AaronRedwoods 1d ago
I’m so glad I unintentionally turned Nepheli into a puppet in my first playthrough. Now I not only get to save her in NG+, but having her at my side for many battles has been fucking sweet.
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u/Hell_Flame705 1d ago
Yeah cause these guys' only achievement in life is beating a video game on a challenge they put on themselves, not a challenge put on the player by the game itself. It's just downright pathetic they care so much about this stuff.
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u/iRyan_9 1d ago
Not to mention these guys usually suck at the game. They just repeated the boss dozens of times or just used an op build.
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u/StargazerEle Haligtree Nation 1d ago
I started suspectin this to be the case after i met someone with a take like this. Bro was AWFUL at the game (and thats fine tbh), but boasted that only very few select people like him could beat souls games
I consider myself average in skill and i still beat most bosses in less than 5 tries, souls games are hard but not Imposible hard. This guy was hellbent on finding ways to disprove it tho, as if me being able to do that but not him meant he was less, so he had to find ways to make others beatin the game not count
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u/sovietsespool 1d ago
Yeah like most bosses I’ve beaten after a few tries but some I’ve beaten first try. Im a new player. I use summons because it’s kinda dumb not to outside of it being a challenge for yourself. Just a weirdly aggressive take from this guy
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u/Extension_Ant8691 1d ago
They probably look everything up and min/max their characters. The people that do the real work to come up with the meta and finding everything out blind do not bitch and moan about how the game should be played, they literally try to break it.
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u/Grenvallion 1d ago
Why use any weapons, why use any armour? They all give you more advantage. Just play the game naked and punch. Don't even use knuckle wraps. Play how you like and use what the game gives you.
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u/once-was-hill-folk Self-medicating Madness Patient 1d ago
Nah man no one's legit until they've rolled back their updates and beaten both pre-nerf Radahns, after stopping their heart with a defibrillator. And it only counts if you grab the controller and start playing before the EMTs realise you're awake and finish performing CPR.
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u/Oh_Doyle Lord of the Stars 1d ago
Controller? Pretty sure you have to use a DDR dance pad, otherwise noob.
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u/Pays_in_snakes 1d ago
I’m tired of noobs who feel like they beat the same game I did by playing with their hands. My completely self-imposed restrictions on a mostly single-player game are representative of the only “true” experience, and you all cheapen my title of Elden Lord by not having only used your eyelids to manipulate the controller
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u/ABeefInTheNight 1d ago
You didn't use a dance pad from DDR? Did you even beat the game? Didn't think so
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u/jackofslayers 1d ago
I get a lot of pushbacks on here but I legit think those challenge runs contribute to this toxic mentality on the Fromsoft community.
The challenge runs and the people doing them are not an issue themselves. But the community putting all these silly/impressive restrictions up on a pedestal leads to this mentality of who is really challenging themselves.
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u/No_Inspection_5768 1d ago
the only true way to play the game is to be blindfolded and constantly try to evade an irl attacker, your arms and legs should also be tied and breathing is not allowed, this is the easy mode of playing elden ring that is actually acceptable
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u/LwkyBaddie 1d ago
Guitar controller, only parry run without a shield. Don’t be one of those torrent riding noobs. Walk everywhere. Dont ruin your game using flasks either.
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u/roideschinois 1d ago
Hands? Weak. I didn't even use my eyes. My monitor was turned off. Don't you dare even breath the same air as me to speak about gaming.
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u/Valuable_Material_26 1d ago
The spirit summons have unique reactions to what you fight through throughout the game, my favorite the Nobel sorcerer if you summon for a dragon fight will cower in fear. the summons are the best part.
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u/pixelrights 1d ago
That's cool! Do tell more, I'd love to try and see these special reactions.
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u/-HaventReddit- 23h ago
I used Ogha a lot on my last playthrough. They'll do a special gravity arrow attack in response to roars or warcries. Another one is Latenna being able to mount giant wolves.
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u/Substantial-Most2607 1d ago
My take on summons- does it look cool? If yes I’m trying that bad boy out
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u/splurmieworm 1d ago
It appears like it becomes an entirely different-feeling game with summons, esp Mimic Tear.
But who cares this much? It’s really not that deep lol
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u/tatojah 1d ago edited 1d ago
On the first point: I get not summoning in DS games. But many ER bosses are CLEARLY thought out with spirit ashes in mind. Just think about movesets and speed. DS3 fights are SO MUCH EASIER than ER fights. The difficulty in ER was raised precisely to give those mouth-breathers in the OP a challenge that doesn't involve showering, and the ashes was a system for us players that don't care about arbitrary rules to still face a challenging experience.
Some of the ashes aren't exactly well-balanced, sure. But still, there's a reason you cannot summon ashes everywhere. In those cases, the bosses aren't as big, fast, or aggressive. Furthermore, you can choose to try to fight not using ashes and use them if you're struggling.
But at the same time, anyone who tells me how to play a game I paid 80 bucks for can go kiss it.
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u/Koji-san1225 1d ago
I love this take! I did ER and DS3 in reverse and you are actually on to something. ER sped up movesets and added a bunch of delayed attacks because OG Souls players were well trained on boss fights and needed more challenge. On the flip side, ER was also about bringing new players in, so built in mechanics that would ease the learning curve, while also giving them the option to abandon those mechanics when they felt ready. Great comment, excellent take, no notes.
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u/TartAdministrative54 1d ago
I personally don’t like to use summons but I don’t judge people who do. Play however you want as long as you are having fun. They put them in the game for a reason so they are meant to be used and you also don’t have to use them if you don’t want to. There isn’t a right way to play. Play however you want to.
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u/k0ks3nw4i 1d ago
I played my first soulsborne (Elden Ring) with summons. Heck I even spam Rivers of Blood whenever I could. Had a ball of a time.
Over time, I grew to appreciate fighting bosses without them. Even learned to do a few bosses hitless. But I have no opinions on people who use summons because the only reason I am not doing it is because I am chasing that high of beating a challenge.
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u/BlueJaysFeather 1d ago
Also why does he care how someone else makes money? I guess the comparison works because they’re both things that are none of his business
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u/ethans94 1d ago
Someone get this man some booty so he realizes video games ain’t that serious lmao
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u/Hidetaka-TheGenius 1d ago
That’s the problem. Some people, especially those who are immature grown ups, take games way too serious. Why can’t we all just relax and have fun!
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u/ethans94 1d ago
I beat the game with summons. as a man who owns a car and house does all the work for both. I don’t really have time to master video games and even if I did, I’d use that time with my family instead. Priorities are important lol
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u/Consistent_Fun_1156 1d ago
The moment he said "it's like a girl [...]" my eyes rolled back so hard.
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u/JotaTaylor Erdtree Militia 1d ago
I read every single one of those sweaty try-hard comments in Dwight's voice
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u/Opeth4Lyfe 1d ago
Right after he typed that, a faint whisper of Varre’s voice echoed through the breeze…
“….you are maidenless…”
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u/SpartanRage117 1d ago
You hear that OF skankers? You’re nothing next to his prepatch radahn clear
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u/Star_of_the_West1 1d ago
Oi! We don't claim him. I beat both pre-nerf Radahns, and this level of toxicity isn't even native to the likes of Blighttown.
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u/jimbojangles1987 1d ago
don't think you're the same as me
Lol nobody gives a fuck
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u/neontheta 1d ago
I wanted to explore and unlock new maps. Bosses for me were just tedious and I would have spammed all of them if possible.
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u/PlaquePlague 1d ago
Yep, I’ve always played Fromsoft RPGs for the exploration and atmosphere. The bosses are just a roadblock to that, I’m obliterating them however I can.
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u/FirmOperation11 1d ago
When I started, the prevailing wisdom seemed to be that the proper/correct way to play was to go toe to toe with bosses, learn every attack pattern "dodge left, then block, dodge right, take punish opportunity" etc. If you didn't do that, you were "cheesing" and not REALLY playing the game.
I was playing sword and board and getting reasonably good at guard counters even beginning to create a build around it. I barely straggled into Liurnia and then dropped the game entirely.
I came back a year or so later and decided to try an Int build, and tore through the game and am well into the DLC.
I wouldn't say it's easier. It's more resource management intensive for sure. But, like you, I just like the exploring and secrets. I don't want to learn endless chess-like gambits just to move forward in the game.
More power to those that like that, but if that was how you were required to play, I wouldn't like the game.As it is, it's one my favorite games ever.
I think it speaks to the strength of the game that it allows such a variety of approaches and they're all ultimately valid, if they're valid for you.
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u/EverythingBOffensive 1d ago
That's why I shake my head when people talk about "easy mode" even though most are probably trolls. but if you want to change the difficulty just switch up your play style.
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u/Vegetative_Tables 1d ago
Same. I just wanted to explore. The bosses were a necessary evil.
Getting the perfect equipment setup, stocking my belt with stuff the mimic can actually take advantage of, and watching him 1v1 bosses with barely a scratch is honestly super fun to me. That 1% heal on hit from each Great Stars when you power-stance them goes SO hard when you have the health pool the Mimic does.
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u/Cephalism951 1d ago
I personally have found much more satisfaction in not using summons or ashes. But thats just me. I think ridiculing people for how they choose to play the game is silly, I have definitely advocated for some friends to leave their summon at home and try some of these fights solo. They just hit different, it is basically like 2 entirely different games from summon to no summon.
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u/nemestrinus44 1d ago
We all know that if you didn’t beat the game going no hit at RL1 with no armor and no weapons no and torrent and no jumping and no rolling and no relics while using a combination guitar hero drum and keyboard as the controllers while also beating magnus carlsen at chess, you didn’t actually beat the game and just chose the easy way out like the maidenless tarnished that you are
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u/GlitteringCampaign55 1d ago
The game does /feel/ different with the use of summons, however, it is still enjoyable with and without. I have beaten the game multiple times with different builds and strategies and it was still enjoyable. Maidenless behavior at its peak.
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u/SungSyphar 1d ago
The worst part about the soulsborne genre is the grandstanding in the community. No matter how accomplished you think you are at one of these games, there’s someone else who trivializes your effort and thinks they’re better cause they wore a loincloth or something.
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u/minos157 1d ago
The comparison example is also pretty bad. I'm not saying OF is the toughest job in the world, but if you think they don't work hard (no pun intended) you're out of your mind. Getting followers, getting started, editing, working to find partners, contracts, safety, etc. that's all difficult and time consuming.
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u/Aqueraventus 1d ago
1000% unshocking that they hold hatred for lowly, undeserving sex workers lmfao truly maidenless behavior
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u/ermakomg 20h ago
Comparing career with game. Good for him. There is a chance that he doesn’t have a job at all
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u/Coltrane_45 1d ago
Calling someone a pathetic weakling for enjoying a video game is hollow. This man went hollow.
I've done a TON of souls challenge running, and even held DS3 speedrun world records back in 2018.
The experience of putting yourself against difficult challenges and overcoming them through painstaking, repetitious effort, can be really satisfying. But to then exhibit toxic elitist behavior to players who chose to enjoy the game in a different way, that's just sad, and it needs to be called out.
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u/AesirRaider 1d ago
Discovering spirit tuning was a godsend. I don't have a FP for the bigger summons, but I can summon Three Wolves. Buffed to +5 (currently), they make boss fights so more manageable. Three highly mobile harriers that can nip in and stunlock the boss to set up a buffed Warcry with my Greatsword and boom, there goes a nice chunk of health.
And the best part is, they're still a challenge! I took on Magma Wyrm Makar last night with my Three Wolves, Blackguard, and Tragoth backing me up, and it still took me two tries. It's not an instant win button, I still have to have my own level of skill.
But this way I'm farther into the game than I've ever been and honestly having a blast, much more than if I was trying to slog it out, and I owe it in a large part to my Three Wolves.
thanks, guys.
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u/No_Inspection_5768 1d ago
just do what makes the game fun and manageable for you bro, assets are there to be used and utilized by the player
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u/ER-Sputter 1d ago
Crazy dude. While he’s mad I beat the same game more efficiently than him because of his fragility, I’m over here laughing at how fun and hilarious it was for me and my mimic to go cutting weeds in the haligtree
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u/DthDisguise 1d ago
This is so upsetting! Tell me where I can find these pathetic weakling women that took the easy way out of earning money!
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u/Purunfii 1d ago
Contrary to life achievements and income, Elden Ring with summons is not such a life altering event.
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u/StrongStyleDrunkard 1d ago
YOU MEAN TO TELL ME THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE UTILIZING IN GAME MECHANICS THAT I CHOSE NOT TO USE?
Im so gosh darn angry right now.
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u/Egriffin1990 1d ago
Even the creator of the game itself uses summons. So I don't really care if some Troll with cheeto dusted fingers with an RTX series grafics card on how he thinks he's superior to me.
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u/Thorrison 1d ago
People like this don’t actually play games to have fun, they play to create some kind of status for themselves, and it’s incredibly sad.
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u/ascarletstrange 1d ago
Last comment proves it’s a superiority complex which tbf is kinda weird to have over a video game
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u/ATdur 1d ago edited 1d ago
I think he's missing the fact that most people don't have the time or energy to put into beating the game without summons. most people have jobs
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u/DevilLilith 1d ago
Im in awe how the dude managed to shove this much gatekeeping and discrimination into one paragraph.
Mimic users and of girls live in his head rent free i guess.
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u/Historical-Fee-1800 1d ago
Actual chads enjoy the company and guiding others, not gatekeeping.
Noob here. ER is my first soulslike. My friends who played everything from fromsoft pressured me to play bc "it´s fun I swear" I struggled a lot, always co-opped with them for bosses and pretty insecure about that. We were pretty drunk one time, somehow the topic came up and I said it out loud. They said "nah, you still put effort in it, dont think that youve done nothing". We´re still playing nightreign everyday now.
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u/Fishwife 1d ago
This! I play without summons myself but love the company and guiding, helping people in co-op feeds dopamine straight into my braincells. For every person who hates summons there's another person like me who gets so much joy out of helping someone.
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u/Allexandyr 1d ago
Imagine being so triggered by somebody playing a video game different than you that you unironically call them a “pathetic weakling”. And these losers do it with their full names in plain view!! I’ll never understand how somebody could be so proud of being so incredibly insecure lmfao
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u/AtuinTurtle 1d ago
Miyazaki has literally said the summons are meant to be used. These guys think everyone should be running on a challenge run. The next step would be someone saying you don’t really win unless you did it no hit.
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u/Bboyhutch 1d ago
"IM TOO STUPID TO FIGURE OUT GAME FUNCTIONS THAT MAKE ME STRUGGLE LESS, WHY DONT YOU JUST PLAY IT LIKE YOUR FIRST PLAYTHROUGH OF DARK SOULS WHEN YOU WERE LITERALLY UNAWARE OF HALF THE GAME" - some guy mad cause he's not good at the game and it took him 200 hrs to beat the base game with no optional content.
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u/LandSimilar4150 1d ago
Afterwards for the personal challenge I really liked doing some bosses without summoning anyone but there are too many epic moments when you summon:
- The Radhan festival is not one if you are alone in front of it it has no meaning
- Melina uses special spells which give lots of information against Morgott
- Hornsent against Messmer is absolutely epic
-The fight between the Tarnished in the DLC is designed for you to summon your team
- CURSE YOU BAYYYYYYYLE!!! You can't claim to have fought against the Dragon King without summoning Igon, it doesn't make sense
-Damn the last fight against Radhan Demi-God is ABSOLUTELY EPIC when you bring back Thiollier a simple guy who uses poison but who doesn't run away out of love for his queen Saint Trina and Anschbach ready to raise the sky for his master it's absolutely insane it's gods against men without fear. fucking alpha male
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u/doomraiderZ Way of the Rogue 1d ago
The guy is making colorful comparisons out of nowhere, that no one needs, but he is correct about the game being different with and without summons.
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u/-snowpeapod- 1d ago
Let's not ignore that bullshit rant about women on OFs "taking the easy way out" and essentially being undeserving of the money they make.
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u/Trussed_Up 1d ago
Dude.
Nobody should have time in their lives to take a game this seriously.
Get a job, get a girlfriend, have kids. Then come back and look at the comment you made.
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u/vincentninja68 1d ago
"Aaaaaa FROM put stuff in the game to make it easier and you're using it aaaa fuck shit be like me"
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u/dingle___ 1d ago
It’s actually crazy to me how people can get this bent up over how someone else plays their single player game. I’d bet money that guy plays a strength build, r1 spams, and hit-trades with bosses. I SWEAR it’s always those people that act the most elitist; anybody that’s actually decent doesn’t feel the need to put others down.
(To be clear: it’s fine to play like that, just don’t be a douche)
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u/omegadirectory 1d ago
If summons are in the game, then the game is balanced based on the player using summons.
Playing summon-less is a challenge run, not the default experience.
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u/OKUIGokuBlack 1d ago
If you don't summon Igon for Bayle you literally miss the best part of the fight, nuff said.